Random Irritations

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There are a gazillion other ways of finding the information. Prompted by your post, it took me about 20 seconds to find the reports, and I'm not even interested. Surely an avid follower of Scottish domestic football isn't waiting to find the results in tomorrow's Guardian?

Do you not think I watched the match...

Anyway...much missing of the point here on this so I’ll keep it as my random irritation.

Btw - on the basis of the achievement alone, StJ should be BBC SPOTY Team of the Year. But it won’t be as no one knows...well some on here do. So job done ??

 

[Deleted member 16999]

My gripe with the Guardian (and ST) is that this was the Cup Final and there are plenty of Scots in rUK who might care. But not a mention. Bet if either of the OF had been playing there would have been a report.

Maybe those Scots in rUK who cared enough could of followed the match live on the day via the updates on the Guardian website rather than waiting 24hrs to moan about it not being in print?

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...tone-v-hibernian-scottish-cup-final-2021-live

 

[GreiginFife]

Oh for goodness sake. This is a complaint about the press not reporting the single most important football match of the year in Scotland, it’s nothing to do with having a go at England and the English.

As it happens you will find that supporters of all teams in Scotland are highly delighted as it shows that with decent club and team management there is hope for all Scottish clubs. It is only mid-late 80s that StJ were at risk of dropping out of the top senior leagues when bottom of Div2. StJ Message boards are full of congrats from supporters across all Scottish leagues. Its not all about the OF.

The point is that this is equivalent to - potentially even exceeds - the unexpected and astonishing success of Leicester City in winning the EPL. And I thought that that would merit wider publicity.

I think you are seriously overestimating the Scottish Cup. Once upon a time it was a great competition with wide appeal and prestige.

Now, not so much. If I had the option of seeing the Pars lift the cup or win promotion to the top table, it would be promotion every time.

I also doubt that you'll find supporters of other teams "delighted" (possibly one or two, definitely in the minority) that another team won a cup, it wasn't their team so why give a toss?

I'm also not sure that your constant comparisons to the OF are really all that relevant either. Fan base and reach are completely incomparable and yes, you are right, if the OF had won it probably would have made a footnote in the press in England, but probably as a result of pure probability that there are going to be Rangers and/or Celtic fans down there as oppose to supporters of, what you self-describe as a "provincial club from a small city".

Whilst I am no fan of Rangers and everything they stand for, winning the league over 38 games unbeaten makes Gerrard MOTY for me over Davidson who, whilst it's a great achievement, had to win far fewer games and contained games against Kelty, Peterhead and my very own Pars, 7 games in the league cup run to the final. Livi, Forfar and the might of Raith stood in the way of a 4 game run to the final.

Take nothing away from St Johnstone in their achievement, but lets not dress it up grander than it actually is.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think you are seriously overestimating the Scottish Cup. Once upon a time it was a great competition with wide appeal and prestige.

Now, not so much. If I had the option of seeing the Pars lift the cup or win promotion to the top table, it would be promotion every time.

I also doubt that you'll find supporters of other teams "delighted" (possibly one or two, definitely in the minority) that another team won a cup, it wasn't their team so why give a toss?

I'm also not sure that your constant comparisons to the OF are really all that relevant either. Fan base and reach are completely incomparable and yes, you are right, if the OF had won it probably would have made a footnote in the press in England, but probably as a result of pure probability that there are going to be Rangers and/or Celtic fans down there as oppose to supporters of, what you self-describe as a "provincial club from a small city".

Whilst I am no fan of Rangers and everything they stand for, winning the league over 38 games unbeaten makes Gerrard MOTY for me over Davidson who, whilst it's a great achievement, had to win far fewer games and contained games against Kelty, Peterhead and my very own Pars, 7 games in the league cup run to the final. Livi, Forfar and the might of Raith stood in the way of a 4 game run to the final.

Take nothing away from St Johnstone in their achievement, but lets not dress it up grander than it actually is.

It‘s the fact of a cup DOUBLE by a small provincial team in the face of competition by a good few wealthier - two hugely wealthier - opponents. Many teams have won one or the other over the decades...but not both.

That this has not been done by anyone other than the OF since Aberdeen did it 30yrs ago, and that it is quite possible that a non-OF team will NEVER do it again, is what IMO and that of most non-OF supporters in Scotland makes it newsworthy of a wider audience. It’s not that StJ did it - it’s that a team like StJ has done it.

Anyway...on behalf of supporters of the little clubs across the UK I reserve the right to remain irritated.??

 

[GreiginFife]

It‘s the fact of a cup DOUBLE by a small provincial team in the face of competition by a good few wealthier - two hugely wealthier - opponents. Many teams have won one or the other over the decades...but not both.

That this has not been done by anyone other than the OF since Aberdeen did it 30yrs ago, and that it is quite possible that a non-OF team will NEVER do it again, is what IMO and that of most non-OF supporters in Scotland makes it newsworthy of a wider audience. It’s not that StJ did it - it’s that a team like StJ has done it.

I think everyone gets your point. But again, I think you are overestimating it. The cups in Scotland are a bit of an irrelevance these days unless it's YOUR team that's in it. Not a single person I have spoken to has even commented on the grandeur your win(s) single, double or otherwise.

No one really cares that no one will ever do it again, it's only St Johnstone fans that seem to care (save some minority of other clubs fans).

Why is it that you think that anyone in that wider audience gives a monkeys, so many people in the near-field audience don't.

 

[Orikoru]

The point is that this is equivalent to - potentially even exceeds - the unexpected and astonishing success of Leicester City in winning the EPL. And I thought that that would merit wider publicity.

It's really not though, that's a ridiculous statement. They beat Rangers on penalties in one of the two cups, other than that no notable opponents. Whereas Leicester bettered all the heavyweights of English football over a 38 game season (it is exponentially harder to win a league than a cup). Not even close to comparable.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So the insurance finally paid out the fees for the dogs meds

Minus prescription costs? So I called up to ask

Apparently they don't cover that

Well you have for 5 years lol

Wow that company are useless .. every form I put down I'm claiming this much for meds this much for prescription fee .. and it's always been paid out without question

Mental couldn't make it up

But hey £50 less stil got the rest

However one the reasons it wasn't paid was the prescription costs .. if your not paying it why did it matter????

 

[Hobbit]

Oh for goodness sake. This is a complaint about the press not reporting the single most important football match of the year in Scotland, it’s nothing to do with having a go at England and the English.

As it happens you will find that supporters of all teams in Scotland are highly delighted as it shows that with decent club and team management there is hope for all Scottish clubs. It is only mid-late 80s that StJ were at risk of dropping out of the top senior leagues when bottom of Div2. StJ Message boards are full of congrats from supporters across all Scottish leagues. Its not all about the OF.

The point is that this is equivalent to - potentially even exceeds - the unexpected and astonishing success of Leicester City in winning the EPL. And I thought that that would merit wider publicity.

I just don’t understand why you think the English press/media give a toss about 3rd rate teams in Scotland winning egg cups. Harsh? Yes it is but do you know who won what in France or Holland? No you don’t, but you chose to have a pop at those south of the border.

 

[chrisd]

I just don’t understand why you think the English press/media give a toss about 3rd rate teams in Scotland winning egg cups. Harsh? Yes it is but do you know who won what in France or Holland? No you don’t, but you chose to have a pop at those south of the border.

Most of the press and media dont even give a toss about teams below half way in the PL let alone Scottish teams, unless they are happily reporting a manager sacking or a relegation. Let's be frank, Scottish, Irish and Welsh football is absolute crap and anyone in England who doesn't support a team already isn't in to football really and if you do support a team its unlikely to be a Scottish one if you're English, Welsh or Irish. I wouldn't bother to watch even Rangers or Celtic on TV let alone the rest of the teams!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do you not think I watched the match...

Anyway...much missing of the point here on this so I’ll keep it as my random irritation.

Btw - on the basis of the achievement alone, StJ should be BBC SPOTY Team of the Year. But it won’t be as no one knows...well some on here do. So job done ??

I think you are overstating the achievement a touch

Yep it’s great for St Johnstone but is it really better than a team winning the league without losing a game ?

Do you really care that much that the English press havent reported much on it -surely you only should care that the team won ?‍

I have no doubt the Scottish press will have reported on it

But in the football world it will be meaningless to 99% of football fans outside Scotland

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Already 4 threads devoted to football yet it still manages to spill over on to here.

Could those that have any interest in that game please keep it in those threads as some of us have absloutely no interest in syncronised falling down.

 

[williamalex1]

I don't want independence, just our own TV channels

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Already 4 threads devoted to football yet it still manages to spill over on to here.

Could those that have any interest in that game please keep it in those threads as some of us have absloutely no interest in syncronised falling down.

This thread is called ‘Random Irritations of the day’ and that is what I posted. That some chose to tell me I had no reason to be irritated, just irritated me further ? That said I rather felt that the ‘push back‘ I received actually proved my point. ??

 

[Hobbit]

This thread is called ‘Random Irritations of the day’ and that is what I posted. That some chose to tell me I had no reason to be irritated, just irritated me further ? That said I rather felt that the ‘push back‘ I received actually proved my point. ??

Proved your point…

If you feel the English press/media not reporting it is an irritation, fine. BTW, I saw it reported it both on the Beeb and in the English press I subscribe to - sorry it didn’t come with flashing neon lights.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Jonathon Goldberg
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British Justice system

 

[Jamesbrown]

Cleethorpes - what a dump.
Staying in the wolds and popped to our favourite butchers in Grimsby to take home a good supply of the finest Lincolnshire sausages - popped to Papas for fish and chips and the promenade is just decimated. Covid certainly hasn’t helped this dilapidated seafront.

 

[Blue in Munich]

The latest bunch of ambulance chasing lawyers advertising to gain people compensation over the diesel emissions. Yes, because people really must have suffered dreadful loss & injury over some massaged emissions figures.

 

[jim8flog]

It has taken me until half time to work out how to switch BT sport to full screen mode on my smart TV. That was even after a test run on the desktop PC.

 

[SteveW86]

Seeing this on a friends Instagram

 

[ColchesterFC]

Sorry @saving_par but.......... extra time in the football. Got to be up at stupid o'clock tomorrow to join the vessel so really shouldn't still be up now watching the football.