Players diving

[Foxholer]

From what I understand, Scotland seem to have got it under control with a post weekend play Panel. This sort of thing - adjusted for the Monday/Tuesday play of BPL - would also work in England. It's certainly something that needs to be addressed imo!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This thread is one of the reasons I'm losing interest in football. Cheats prosper.

Rather than docking points, simply change the rules to allow the ref to award a penalty to the opposition when there is a blatant dive.

Mistakes will be made but they're made now so it won't change much.

Just seen Cahill's dive and I'm with the ref. I don't think he was trying to con the ref, I don't think he was looking for a penalty, it looked to me like he thought he was going to get clobbered and took evasive action - hence no free kick or card.

There is the problem - peoples different interpretation of it - looked to me a clear dive

 

[Imurg]

Dive -yes

Trying to con the ref - for me, no....

And that's an important difference

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Dive -yes

TRyingnto con the ref - for me, no....

And that's an important difference

As i said it will be down to peoples different interpretation hence why talk of points deduction etc is unworkable

 

[Imurg]

So you think he was trying to con the ref....?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you think he was trying to con the ref....?

I think he was diving to get a decision yes.

 

[Imurg]

Well he didn't appeal for anything and that's as big a giveaway as you could ask for.

 

[Blue in Munich]

The booking for Willian I totally agree with. Clear as anything & a few others as well as me called it from nearly 100 yards away; no excuses for it & completely unacceptable. As for the other two, I'm looking forward to MoTD to see what they make of it.

From where I was seated, both Cahill & Costa seemed to be taking avoiding action from the swinging legs of a team that was obviously determined to kick anything that moved with the exception of the ball. My initial reaction was that Cahill was caught and a penalty should have been given and that Costa wasn't looking for a free kick, just looking to avoid a broken leg. We'll see.

Having seen it again, I'm not seeing anything much different. Willian dived. Cahill was taking evasive action (interesting flick out of the leg by the Hull defender as Cahill goes through) anticipating the double hit that never came. Costa tried to take evasive action but was actually caught.

What is equally odious in all of this is the dive & the cheating by Hull that has been neatly overlooked. Meyler goes up in the Chelsea penalty area, handles the ball, and then claims a penalty. He knows he handled it yet still claims the penalty. And at the end of the game Costa attempts to clear the ball with an overhead kick, sees the opposition player coming in and pulls out, yet the Hull player goes down like he has been shot, holding his head if I remember correctly, whilst the team mates gather round Chris Foy petitioning for the dismissal of Costa for……….. pulling out of the tackle. MoTD chose to cut it out, but Sky's Game of the Day showed it.

I have no argument with anyone calling out Chelsea players for doing it; I will do it when I am convinced they have done it. But lets look equally at both sides & not be taken in by Steve Bruce's poor hard-done-to speech in the post match interviews.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Well he didn't appeal for anything and that's as big a giveaway as you could ask for.

Actually the bigger giveaway was the way both Hull players raised their hands to protest their innocence!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well he didn't appeal for anything and that's as big a giveaway as you could ask for.

Or he realised that it was far too obvious and walked away sheepishly

But the only person who really knows is the player himself

But it shows straight away how hard it is to decide if the player is diving with the intent to gain an advantage

 

[Foxholer]

Well, Sorry Sam, I don't think the 'dive' against West Ham was anything more than 'going down very easy'!

Why the defender actually touched him in the first place is beyond me!

 

[Liverbirdie]

Well, Sorry Sam, I don't think the 'dive' against West Ham was anything more than 'going down very easy'!

Why the defender actually touched him in the first place is beyond me!

Because its a contact sport - it's not netball,never a penalty.

 

[Foxholer]

Because its a contact sport - it's not netball,never a penalty.

Sure it's a contact sport, but there are limits as to what should/should not be being used. In that situation, shoulder (to shoulder), yes; hands (or arms) to back, No! No difference to a foul with the feet/legs imo.

Was it simulation? Or 'merely' exaggeration? I'm going with the latter. Certainly seen them ignored, but the defender forces the ref(s) to make a decision that shouldn't have needed to have been made!

 

[garyinderry]

all of them were dives. cahill, what lunging tackle was he trying to hurdle? then he flicks his feet about in the air. surefire give away sign of a dive!


https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/8B...p4?versionId=7skmU.yXF7RY.mQTmmy7Jwi7bLlkoqJH

 

[USER1999]

The Cahill one is very similar to a tackle an arsenal player did on Rooney once. I think it was Sol. Sol went to put his foot out, but then withdrew it at the last minute, and Rooney, anticipating contact, went over. Sol got a red card.

It's amazing how you can view these incidences so differently.

 

[Foxholer]

Steve Bruce summed up my views in his BBC interview. Hope he doesn't get hauled over coals for the comments, which were pretty critical!

Btw. He's looking particularly rough these days - and that's after getting used to him looking rough some time ago!

 

[JCW]

This is now out of hand. 2 players booked for my beloved Chelsea today and the worst dive was Cahill who was already on a yellow, was not booked.

This cheating must be stamped out. 3 match immediate bans. And if like my team today, two people are caught doing it the points should be docked or the players bans increased.

The onus is then on the managers to stamp it out in their clubs

Jose M stop cheating and trying to win by the dark methods , pigs will fly

 

[Biggleswade Blue]

This thread is one of the reasons I'm losing interest in football. Cheats prosper.

Rather than docking points, simply change the rules to allow the ref to award a penalty to the opposition when there is a blatant dive.

Mistakes will be made but they're made now so it won't change much.

Absolutely dead right.

 

[Tongo]

This thread is one of the reasons I'm losing interest in football. Cheats prosper.

Rather than docking points, simply change the rules to allow the ref to award a penalty to the opposition when there is a blatant dive.

Mistakes will be made but they're made now so it won't change much.

Just seen Cahill's dive and I'm with the ref. I don't think he was trying to con the ref, I don't think he was looking for a penalty, it looked to me like he thought he was going to get clobbered and took evasive action - hence no free kick or card.

I'm forever amazed at how people expect the refs to get everything right. They are at an instant disadvantage in that they are past 40 refereeing players half their age and they have to make decisions on split second viewings. Guess what? They get some wrong. But the fans / pundits who get multiple viewings on slo-mo replays slag them off relentlessly for having to work under such disadvantages.

 

[JCW]

BBC sport panel came up with an idea i mention on here before , A panel to sit after the weeks games and look at all the dives ? and decide whats what and award a red card for what they deem to be a dive plus a fine , that go some way to stopping them if they know they are not getting away with , well on the day maybe but will be punish later , a repeat offender will get a longer ban each time