Players diving

[Blue in Munich]

This is now out of hand. 2 players booked for my beloved Chelsea today and the worst dive was Cahill who was already on a yellow, was not booked.

This cheating must be stamped out. 3 match immediate bans. And if like my team today, two people are caught doing it the points should be docked or the players bans increased.

The onus is then on the managers to stamp it out in their clubs

Genuine question, were you actually there or relying on press reports for your information?

The booking for Willian I totally agree with. Clear as anything & a few others as well as me called it from nearly 100 yards away; no excuses for it & completely unacceptable. As for the other two, I'm looking forward to MoTD to see what they make of it.

From where I was seated, both Cahill & Costa seemed to be taking avoiding action from the swinging legs of a team that was obviously determined to kick anything that moved with the exception of the ball. My initial reaction was that Cahill was caught and a penalty should have been given and that Costa wasn't looking for a free kick, just looking to avoid a broken leg. We'll see.

As for your suggested penalties, sorry but that is ridiculous. As odious as diving is, to equate the penalty with dangerous play is a non-starter. As for docking points, when we can trust referees to get it right 100% of the time, we can consider it; until then, forget it.

 

[shewy]

If you start docking points for a dive do you then dock points for every offence in the sport ?

Don't be silly,a foul is a foul, what I'm talking about it down right cheating, falsifying a foul or feigning injury to gain an advantage.
great point about rugby,something footy could certainly learn from

 

[Liverbirdie]

I don't think the rules of football have changed much in the last 20 years.

However, since Blatter's reign the "interpretations" of fouls has changed, because he doesn't want tackles as part of the game. We need to get back to, unless you are properly fouled, you don't get it. Players waiting for a slight contact and refs giving them fouls only encourage it.

We don't want to see centre halves slide though players and take the lot as they did for years, but it has gone way to far to protecting players and football is worse off for it.

 

[anotherdouble]

So if a player slips or trips or just out of the way and falls over an expected tackle etc etc.

Why be so pedantic. We all no what constitutes a dive. Eduardo dived. To me the appeal should never have been allowed. Cahill et al today were dives. A player can slip, be pushed and jump out of the way that's not what I am on about and you know it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Don't be silly,a foul is a foul, what I'm talking about it down right cheating, falsifying a foul or feigning injury to gain an advantage.
great point about rugby,something footy could certainly learn from

But then what about deliberate trips or deliberate handballs and deliberate fouls ?

Yes diving needs to be punished but docking points ?

And the citing panel does works well in rugby when the ref cites them and then when its watched back later.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why be so pedantic. We all no what constitutes a dive. Eduardo dived. To me the appeal should never have been allowed. Cahill et al today were dives. A player can slip, be pushed and jump out of the way that's not what I am on about and you know it

it doesnt matter what should never be allowed - it was allowed and the players punishment was removed because they couldnt prove intent - its is a minefield.

 

[anotherdouble]

Genuine question, were you actually there or relying on press reports for your information?

The booking for Willian I totally agree with. Clear as anything & a few others as well as me called it from nearly 100 yards away; no excuses for it & completely unacceptable. As for the other two, I'm looking forward to MoTD to see what they make of it.

From where I was seated, both Cahill & Costa seemed to be taking avoiding action from the swinging legs of a team that was obviously determined to kick anything that moved with the exception of the ball. My initial reaction was that Cahill was caught and a penalty should have been given and that Costa wasn't looking for a free kick, just looking to avoid a broken leg. We'll see.

As for your suggested penalties, sorry but that is ridiculous. As odious as diving is, to equate the penalty with dangerous play is a non-starter. As for docking points, when we can trust referees to get it right 100% of the time, we can consider it; until then, forget it.

Saw it on live tv and replays

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The thing is it won't change. Blatter and his insistence on tacking tackling out of the game means it has become easier for players to play for a foul get it and referees punish the fouler accordingly

 

[shewy]

But then what about deliberate trips or deliberate handballs and deliberate fouls ?

Yes diving needs to be punished but docking points ?

And the citing panel does works well in rugby when the ref cites them and then when its watched back later.

Deliberate handballs,trips and fouls are already dealt with, usually a booking or straight red.
I'm just putting it out there that the only was to stop it is to dock points,say 10 blatant dives and 3 point deduction, it would stop tomorrow. Blatter has not got the balls though nor Platini

 

[Tongo]

The thing is it won't change. Blatter and his insistence on tacking tackling out of the game means it has become easier for players to play for a foul get it and referees punish the fouler accordingly

Deliberate handballs,trips and fouls are already dealt with, usually a booking or straight red.
I'm just putting it out there that the only was to stop it is to dock points,say 10 blatant dives and 3 point deduction, it would stop tomorrow. Blatter has not got the balls though nor Platini

Blatter has become like Bernie Ecclestone in that one questions whether they are running their respective sports for the right reasons these days.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Deliberate handballs,trips and fouls are already dealt with, usually a booking or straight red.
I'm just putting it out there that the only was to stop it is to dock points,say 10 blatant dives and 3 point deduction, it would stop tomorrow. Blatter has not got the balls though nor Platini

I dont expect and think that docking points is the right way to go - diving does need punishing but not docking points - as with all the other offences the punishment is with the player.

 

[shewy]

but the player represents the team,individually punishing a player will not stop it,it needs radical thinking to stop it.
But lets face it nothing will be done about it and people will turn away from the game, I certainly watch a lot less than I used to, can't be done with watching cheats.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

but the player represents the team,individually punishing a player will not stop it,it needs radical thinking to stop it.
But lets face it nothing will be done about it and people will turn away from the game, I certainly watch a lot less than I used to, can't be done with watching cheats.

But you cant seperate diving from all the other offences that goes in within the game. Whats worse - a two footed lunge at a player or someone going down without being touched ?

Players have gone over easily for decades

 

[stevelev]

It really needs the FA to issue a statement of intent to clamp down on it. And if any player obviously dives he WILL receive a red card. With no option for appeal. And the same should go for players who hound the ref every time there is a slight foul or they are not happy with a ruling.

Like others have said, who will start it, who will see it through. It would take a very brave team of staff and ref's to see it through but if they did it would improve the game no end.

I know managers would make sure it never happened as they would have players off the pitch and risk losing, therefore losing their jobs. They would not field the divers or players that hound the ref, and this would lower the value of the players. Also write into contracts that players would be paid reduced salary every time they get sent off for diving or hounding the ref.

It has ruined the game, and it is not a european thing, it happens at every level of the game so much school kids are doing it. In golf you cheat you get a 6 month ban with no earning potential during that time, they should do the same in soccer.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It really needs the FA to issue a statement of intent to clamp down on it. And if any player obviously dives he WILL receive a red card. With no option for appeal. And the same should go for players who hound the ref every time there is a slight foul or they are not happy with a ruling.

Like others have said, who will start it, who will see it through. It would take a very brave team of staff and ref's to see it through but if they did it would improve the game no end.

I know managers would make sure it never happened as they would have players off the pitch and risk losing, therefore losing their jobs. They would not field the divers or players that hound the ref, and this would lower the value of the players. Also write into contracts that players would be paid reduced salary every time they get sent off for diving or hounding the ref.

It has ruined the game, and it is not a european thing, it happens at every level of the game so much school kids are doing it. In golf you cheat you get a 6 month ban with no earning potential during that time, they should do the same in soccer.

Any foul is a rule break - deliberatly tripping a player is a form of cheating - pulling a shirt whilst a player is clean on goal is cheating as is deliberate handball

Diving should be treated the same as those

Talk of 6 month bans and points docked is a bit nonsense when a lot worse happens.

 

[shewy]

Did you ever play the game? There's a huge difference between a standard foul and diving, maybe not in the eye of the law but come on it's day and night.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did you ever play the game? There's a huge difference between a standard foul and diving, maybe not in the eye of the law but come on it's day and night.

Yes i played the game - would count denying a goal scoring opportunity as worse or a deliberate handball

Both acts of cheating as is diving and simulation and all treated the same - cards and bans.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Blatter has become like Bernie Ecclestone in that one questions whether they are running their respective sports for the right reasons these days.

I think that has been getting questioned for well over 10 years. One man shouldn't have that much power, Blatter or not.

 

[Imurg]

This thread is one of the reasons I'm losing interest in football. Cheats prosper.

Rather than docking points, simply change the rules to allow the ref to award a penalty to the opposition when there is a blatant dive.

Mistakes will be made but they're made now so it won't change much.

Just seen Cahill's dive and I'm with the ref. I don't think he was trying to con the ref, I don't think he was looking for a penalty, it looked to me like he thought he was going to get clobbered and took evasive action - hence no free kick or card.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Willian was booked for his blatent dive

Costa was boked for his blatent dive

Cahill on a yellow card was not booked for his blatent dive

Ref followed the rules of the game for two players but bottled it for Cahill.

Maureen interview is amusing

Too many players in England do it - not Chelsea - our players are clean - not even a smirk on his face :rofl:

And as thr MOTD guys have said Cahill is lucky to be on the pitch for the first tackle and how did that Hull lad Bruce get booked for a clean quality tackle?!