P&O

[Crazyface]

This has got to be one of the worst offences against workers ever. Where possible people should refuse to use this dispicable company ever again.

 

[Neilds]

You're right, but I bet it will all be forgotten in a few months and when they come up with the cheapest deals........

 

[Dando]

I wonder what the “European Tour”think given DP World own P&O

 

[Neilds]

I wonder what the “European Tour”think given DP World own P&O

I imagine nothing at all

 

[rudebhoy]

This has got to be one of the worst offences against workers ever. Where possible people should refuse to use this dispicable company ever again.

It's also illegal. Under employment law, any employer wanting to make more than 20 staff redundant need to give a statutory period of notice and go into a consultation period first. Also, any employer wanting to make more than 100 redundant needs to notify the govt 45 days in advance.

P&O have done neither.

Also, if they are making people redundant to replace then with cheaper agency / foreign labour, that's unfair dismissal.

I really hope they get taken to the cleaners, it's an atrocious way to act.

 

[GreiginFife]

It's also illegal. Under employment law, any employer wanting to make more than 20 staff redundant need to give a statutory period of notice and go into a consultation period first. Also, any employer wanting to make more than 100 redundant needs to notify the govt 45 days in advance.

P&O have done neither.

Also, if they are making people redundant to replace then with cheaper agency / foreign labour, that's unfair dismissal.

I really hope they get taken to the cleaners, it's an atrocious way to act.

Bang on. Coupled with the rationale that a position being re-filled is not and cannot be classified as "redundant" unless the job description and duties are significantly different.

I too hope that they are taken to the cleaners big time and cease to exist in very short order. I have a couple of friends that are affected by this that worked out of Dover.

 

[RichA]

I wonder if they knew that they'd be kicking their employees out when they were filling in the forms to claim £10M in furlough payments to protect those jobs.
A friend quit his management job in a different industry during lockdown, when he heard similar plots being hatched by his company. He predicted that this kind of thing would happen.

 

[woofers]

Although it’s a company action, it’s initiated and delivered by somebody. Just what kind of person is the guy (edit:Stephen Nee) who sat and delivered the Zoom message, and what kind of people are those sitting in buses waiting to take the jobs. Why are the top managers who sanction this crap never named?
I guess they are all people with no morals or sense of ‘doing the right thing’ at all.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Mods, does this need a thread merge with the DP World one?

 

[Tashyboy]

It's also illegal. Under employment law, any employer wanting to make more than 20 staff redundant need to give a statutory period of notice and go into a consultation period first. Also, any employer wanting to make more than 100 redundant needs to notify the govt 45 days in advance.

P&O have done neither.

Also, if they are making people redundant to replace then with cheaper agency / foreign labour, that's unfair dismissal.

I really hope they get taken to the cleaners, it's an atrocious way to act.

Totally agree which P and O must of known about which then begs the simple question as to. Why? Why did they do it this way.

 

[backwoodsman]

I know that if I'd done similar in my work it would be illegal - and certainly wouldn't be redundancy, as the jobs are still there, supposedly to be filled by cheaper people. But did not somebody somewhere say that this was actually legal under maritime law?? (I'm just asking - I know nothing about maritine law). Either way, doesn't stop it being an absolutely atrocious way to deal with people.

 

[GB72]

It's also illegal. Under employment law, any employer wanting to make more than 20 staff redundant need to give a statutory period of notice and go into a consultation period first. Also, any employer wanting to make more than 100 redundant needs to notify the govt 45 days in advance.

P&O have done neither.

Also, if they are making people redundant to replace then with cheaper agency / foreign labour, that's unfair dismissal.

I really hope they get taken to the cleaners, it's an atrocious way to act.

Not supporting P&O at all but technically they are not making anyone redundant. If the job still exists to be given to an agency worked then the position has not been made redundant. From what I read, they have simply sacked everyone. If they have givne the correct contractual notice, they may not have done anything wrong so far as emplyment law is concerned.

 

[rudebhoy]

Not supporting P&O at all but technically they are not making anyone redundant. If the job still exists to be given to an agency worked then the position has not been made redundant. From what I read, they have simply sacked everyone. If they have givne the correct contractual notice, they may not have done anything wrong so far as emplyment law is concerned.

The video from P&O told staff "your employment is being terminated with immediate effect on grounds of redundancy".

I'm sure they've had their lawyers all over this and are confident they can get away with it.

As for the replacement staff, I've heard talk that it's basically slave labour shipped in from the Middle East. That may or may not be true, but it defies belief that P&O or their agents could recruit 800 trained staff in the UK without anyone getting wind of what was afoot.

It's good to see Govt ministers calling P&O out as "disgraceful". Let's hope they hammer them.

 

[rudebhoy]

Totally agree which P and O must of known about which then begs the simple question as to. Why? Why did they do it this way.

I'm assuming the word came down from their Saudi owners. Human rights don't count for much over there.

 

[drdel]

Although it’s a company action, it’s initiated and delivered by somebody. Just what kind of person is the guy (edit:Stephen Nee) who sat and delivered the Zoom message, and what kind of people are those sitting in buses waiting to take the jobs. Why are the top managers who sanction this crap never named?
I guess they are all people with no morals or sense of ‘doing the right thing’ at all.

He'll still get his bonus

 

[stefanovic]

Been listening to the Radio 5 phone in and scarcely believable how workers treated. Like the security men with handcuffs.
Alan Sugar mentality. You're Fired. Not after one episode but in many cases up to 20 years loyal service.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Totally agree which P and O must of known about which then begs the simple question as to. Why? Why did they do it this way.

Probably to stop the staff stealing anything not screwed down and smashing the ships up.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's also illegal. Under employment law, any employer wanting to make more than 20 staff redundant need to give a statutory period of notice and go into a consultation period first. Also, any employer wanting to make more than 100 redundant needs to notify the govt 45 days in advance.

P&O have done neither.

Also, if they are making people redundant to replace then with cheaper agency / foreign labour, that's unfair dismissal.

I really hope they get taken to the cleaners, it's an atrocious way to act.

Not illegal is what I have been hearing this morning. And as I don’t know how to link to another post…I posted the following…

A bit of factual background to the legislation that allows what P&O to do is given without comment.

A bill was presented in Oct 2021 to make illegal what P&O have done (though my understanding is that the bill would not have made fire and re-hire illegal). The bill had cross-party support but a three line whip saw it blocked at 2nd reading.

Link to the debate and the background to the bill for anyone interested in the debate and to help inform our discussion is given below.

https://www.parallelparliament.co.u...ntandtradeunionrightsdismissalandreengagement

…also from what I have heard this morning…DP World are going to be a (key?) player in setting up and running the UKs new freeports that are being talked of.

 

[rudebhoy]

Not illegal is what I have been hearing this morning. And as I don’t know how to link to another post…I posted the following…



…also from what I have heard this morning…DP World are going to be a (key?) player in setting up and running the UKs new freeports that are being talked of.

yes, this was mentioned on the news last night, no doubt the Saudis will threaten to pull the funding for the freeports if the UK govt cracks down on P&O.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Are the replacement staff not being provided by a contractor? Presumably an overseas one with cheaper employees.

As others have pointed out, it wouldn’t be a redundancy situation if the jobs still existed.