Foxholer
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It's not a case of 'need'! UK is traditionally pretty open/encouraging to ownership of/investment in UK companies by foreign interests. These days, UK companies are minnows compared to the sharks of those elsewhere.
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Dont forget there were many paid public office workers who vetoed against changing the law on Fire and Rehire.
The french and Dutch have kept their jobs too.
The french and Dutch have kept their jobs too.
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Usually decided by who gives the biggest backhander, no?
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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The way that this has been done would have been illegal if the bill of Oct 2021 had not been blocked - so it might not even have happened. I also wonder whether non-UK P&O channel and N Sea seafarers have had the same happen to them, and if not then why not. Plus I believe that our PM was speaking directly with one of the main shareholders of DP World when in Dubai the day before the announcement. Was he informed of what P&O were planning to do. If not he needs to ask why not. If he was we need to know what he said to the shareholder.
The problem with this subject is that so much background and context to it is political….and that cannot be discussed. However, I am finding much of the wailing coming from certain quarters rather hypocritical and stomach churning given that what has occurred is an almost inevitable consequence of our current and new circumstances. If it hadn’t been P&O it will have been someone else; and if not now then it would have been in the not to distant future. I find it all very depressing and upsetting.
Anyway. Did the DP World sponsorship of the European tour happen with their knowledge that this announcement was coming.
The problem with this subject is that so much background and context to it is political….and that cannot be discussed. However, I am finding much of the wailing coming from certain quarters rather hypocritical and stomach churning given that what has occurred is an almost inevitable consequence of our current and new circumstances. If it hadn’t been P&O it will have been someone else; and if not now then it would have been in the not to distant future. I find it all very depressing and upsetting.
Anyway. Did the DP World sponsorship of the European tour happen with their knowledge that this announcement was coming.
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Voyager EMH
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You would be giving 55% of your money to the French, 5% to Belgium and 40% to the Canadian investment company that Osborne sold the UK's 40% stake to.
Mudball
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Carnival P&O very different from P&O.. I mistook them once when I did some work for them many years ago. Got a big telling off but we’re kind to say that this is a common problem…. Expect some level of PR to kick in. Having said that the cruising industry is in doldrums due to Covid. Carnival itself was bought partially by the Middle Eastern folks when their shares tanked from $80 to about $6… they are now reaping the reward.
(My guess is) I doubt DP knew about the plan to sack enmass. They would have told PO to get their act together and find their money by cutting things. Exact course of action would have come from PO itself. The fact that Boris was at DP will just be a coincidence and bad timing.
(My guess is) I doubt DP knew about the plan to sack enmass. They would have told PO to get their act together and find their money by cutting things. Exact course of action would have come from PO itself. The fact that Boris was at DP will just be a coincidence and bad timing.
Foxholer
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Was that High Speed One? That went to 2 Canadian Pension funds.
GB72
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Seems very cynical!I couldn't comment. Are you sure you've got the right thread?
Not cynical, just very accurate.
I'd love to be able to write what i really mean. Unfortunately i cant.
Bunkermagnet
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Let me guess.....As a member of the tax dodging, rip off merchants club you think they're a fine bunch of fellows?
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Let me guess.....As a member of the tax dodging, rip off merchants club you think they're a fine bunch of fellows?
Oi, i've never dodged tax in my life.
Not quite, but i remember a phrase that was often used...... "Project Fear". I'll leave it there.
Bunkermagnet
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Never said you had sir, just repeating the common thoughts about anyone self employed
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Absolutely spot on.
The local MP even had the audacity to show her face at the Demo of the sacked workers.
Foxholer
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I seem to remember posting earlier that I can't believe that DP wouldn't have been informed of that action, if maybe not the horrendous details and method of dissemination.
However, I suspect that we may not be being told the full story. It's quite possible that the 800 would/will be paid whatever they are due in lieu of notice - for 'security' (fear of reprisals etc) reasons. Even if employed under Jersey law, there are statutory redundancy payments (probably not relevant as being replaced) and minimum notice periods, if dismissed, are aligned to UK ones. It may be significant that the statement in the vid seemed to be along the lines of 'this is your last day of work' rather than 'hereby terminated' or similar.
Still obscene, but maybe not 'illegal' as some have claimed. And there was some mention of a 'leaving package' that might be related (or complete bollox!).
Voyager EMH
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"Legal" or "illegal" in employment regulations can give a false impression.
If employment regulations have been breached, the victims can seek compensation through an employment tribunal. A successful outcome can be monetary and/or re-instatement.
The tribunal has no power to impose a "penalty" on the employer. Merely an instruction to pay wages/due holiday pay/pay in lieu of notice/etc.
Thus the impression of "getting away with it" is nonsense. Employers suffer no penalties for this type of breach of employment law. They merely have to pay the workers what they are due.
Employment law is very weak. It stinks.
If employment regulations have been breached, the victims can seek compensation through an employment tribunal. A successful outcome can be monetary and/or re-instatement.
The tribunal has no power to impose a "penalty" on the employer. Merely an instruction to pay wages/due holiday pay/pay in lieu of notice/etc.
Thus the impression of "getting away with it" is nonsense. Employers suffer no penalties for this type of breach of employment law. They merely have to pay the workers what they are due.
Employment law is very weak. It stinks.
Foxholer
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Maybe not financially, but reputational damage can have financial impact (such as loss of potentiaal customers), at least in a 'free' economy. It's just not obvious as direct fines.
Mudball
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Wasn’t the Fire & Rehire bill blocked by the Govt (was it because it was raised by the Opposition rather than ‘The Event’).. EU worker rights are protected esp when unionised.
A bit skweeky bum time on GMB this morning..
larmen
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When we drive to France for holidays we can vote with our wallet and book another carrier. But commercial freight, they go the cheapest deal they can get. P&O might lose a few caravans and cars, but they could stack themselves with lorries.
That’s just my guess.
Is one of the get outs here that the ship is not registered in the UK so rates of pay, conditions etc are not covered by UK law? P & O are saying they are going to halve wage costs by doing this so either the existing staff were on big money or the pay, with an agency also taking a cut, is well below minimum wage.
Does anyone know?
Does anyone know?
