On Friday, I took the Aimpoint Express course......

[chrisd]

I don't think it's negativity, more just people trying to understand why someone would pay to learn something that is common sense.

I played with someone last week that uses it. When I spoke to them and explained how I read greens, they said 'yep, that pretty much sums it up!'

Didn't cost me a penny

Like to share the knowledge Gordon?

 

[Crow]

This is the interesting bit. Nobody taught me that, it's just something I've always done and it feels natural to me. When I stand over a putt I can feel if my weight is being pushed towards my toes or heels and I then adjust accordingly.

Is that how Aimpoint works?

There must be something wrong with my feet then as unless there's a good slope I can't feel my weight being pushed forwards or backwards, or sideways for that matter.
At the sort of slope I'd need it's obvious where the break is.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Like to share the knowledge Gordon?

Certainly mate.

It's all really basic stuff. Have a look at the line from behind the ball as normal to gauge the line then I address the ball as normal and I can feel if my weight is naturally falling onto my toes (left to right break) or towards my heels (right to left break). Also have a look at the general contours of the green to see which side is higher as that will give a indication of slope as well. Finally, the last thing to do is look at the hole and see if one side is higher than the other, if so you will be able to judge which way the ball will move at the holeside.

Then take your stance and ............................miss

There you go......Drivepoint

 

[chillicon]

Little wonder the pros take so long on the greens. I watched stenson take over a minute to line up a flat, straight 2ft putt yesterday.

 

[chrisd]

Certainly mate.

It's all really basic stuff. Have a look at the line from behind the ball as normal to gauge the line then I address the ball as normal and I can feel if my weight is naturally falling onto my toes (left to right break) or towards my heels (right to left break). Also have a look at the general contours of the green to see which side is higher as that will give a indication of slope as well. Finally, the last thing to do is look at the hole and see if one side is higher than the other, if so you will be able to judge which way the ball will move at the holeside.

Then take your stance and ............................miss

There you go......Drivepoint

Sounds great mate ......... will I live that long??

 

[3565]

Is that how Aimpoint works?

There must be something wrong with my feet then as unless there's a good slope I can't feel my weight being pushed forwards or backwards, or sideways for that matter.
At the sort of slope I'd need it's obvious where the break is.

Yes and no, not the way he describes it anyway.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think I putted well at Blackmoor with 35 putts and I wasn't the only one to three putt 18 from where I was. That stemmed from a poor choice to go aerial with the approach and not low and running. Those that played with me will know that most of my putts were good reads and many had a change to go in and I made three or four ones from 6-12 feet with an Aimpoint read.

I learned through the midpoint method but have been able to use the knowledge on how Aimpoint works to start to use the express method with a degree of certainty and consistency. Gave Sawtooth a quick description on the 6th at Royal Ascot on Saturday, gave him my express read and it was perfect. All that was lacking was the pace on the putt to get it to the hole.

It does work, both midpoint and express and I'm happy to use it. Whether others believe it's hocus pocus or not is personal opinion but one thing I will say unequivocally is that it does not slow pace of play. Blackmoor proved that and I had a good read inside ten seconds without having to pace all around the green or look at the line from behind or the other side of the hole.

 

[JohnnyDee]

We had it at ours today and every time I looked towards the practice putting green where it was being conducted, I never saw even one putt drop :mmm:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Is that how Aimpoint works?

There must be something wrong with my feet then as unless there's a good slope I can't feel my weight being pushed forwards or backwards, or sideways for that matter.
At the sort of slope I'd need it's obvious where the break is.

I'm not describing Aimpoint, that isn't something I've tried. What I'm describing is Drivepoint* which is purely how I assess my putts.

*TM Registered If anyone wants to learn it, send me a cheque for £999.99 and I'll send you a dodgy chart knocked up on my PC.

 

[Sir Scoop-A-Lot]

I'm not describing Aimpoint, that isn't something I've tried. What I'm describing is Drivepoint* which is purely how I assess my putts.

*TM Registered If anyone wants to learn it, send me a cheque for £999.99 and I'll send you a dodgy chart knocked up on my PC.

SOLD! Do you take Western Union? And can I have your bank details. I live in Africa and will need you to send me the details of your personal details too to authorise the transaction with my bank. :thup:

 

[MendieGK]

SOLD! Do you take Western Union? And can I have your bank details. I live in Africa and will need you to send me the details of your personal details too to authorise the transaction with my bank. :thup:

 

[CMAC]

I think I putted well at Blackmoor with 35 putts and I wasn't the only one to three putt 18 from where I was. That stemmed from a poor choice to go aerial with the approach and not low and running. Those that played with me will know that most of my putts were good reads and many had a change to go in and I made three or four ones from 6-12 feet with an Aimpoint read.

I learned through the midpoint method but have been able to use the knowledge on how Aimpoint works to start to use the express method with a degree of certainty and consistency. Gave Sawtooth a quick description on the 6th at Royal Ascot on Saturday, gave him my express read and it was perfect. All that was lacking was the pace on the putt to get it to the hole.

It does work, both midpoint and express and I'm happy to use it. Whether others believe it's hocus pocus or not is personal opinion but one thing I will say unequivocally is that it does not slow pace of play. Blackmoor proved that and I had a good read inside ten seconds without having to pace all around the green or look at the line from behind or the other side of the hole.

personal opinion can be taken right out the equation with facts. The facts tell me all I need to know.

I see aimpoint (and anything similar thats different to common sense) as a placebo effect. If using your 'lucky' ball marker or touching your left eyebrow before a putt, or using aimpoint actually works for you then who is anyone to poo poo it in favour of their own method.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

personal opinion can be taken right out the equation with facts. The facts tell me all I need to know.

I see aimpoint (and anything similar thats different to common sense) as a placebo effect. If using your 'lucky' ball marker or touching your left eyebrow before a putt, or using aimpoint actually works for you then who is anyone to poo poo it in favour of their own method.

And what are the facts? My putting is averaging around the 31.5 putt mark (31.67 to be accurate for 2015) which is pretty good for a 12 handicapper. I must have done something right as I qualified on the day and came second overall. You don't like Aimpoint and have made that abundantly clear on every Aimpoint thread without ever having taken the trouble to try it. If you want to think of it as placebo, nonsense or whatever then fine, that's your perogative. I know it's working as the improved putting stats year on year back that up and I am getting results on the course

 

[CMAC]

And what are the facts? My putting is averaging around the 31.5 putt mark (31.67 to be accurate for 2015) which is pretty good for a 12 handicapper. I must have done something right as I qualified on the day and came second overall. You don't like Aimpoint and have made that abundantly clear on every Aimpoint thread without ever having taken the trouble to try it. If you want to think of it as placebo, nonsense or whatever then fine, that's your perogative. I know it's working as the improved putting stats year on year back that up and I am getting results on the course

Christ, I was actually helping you out. You are one sensitive soul arent you!

 

[3565]

It's not a placebo effect when their make of driver comes out with a new one and the adverts claiming wonderful accuracy and longest driver yet and rush out to TRY one!

 

[chrisd]

Gt

And what are the facts? My putting is averaging around the 31.5 putt mark (31.67 to be accurate for 2015) which is pretty good for a 12 handicapper. I must have done something right as I qualified on the day and came second overall. You don't like Aimpoint and have made that abundantly clear on every Aimpoint thread without ever having taken the trouble to try it. If you want to think of it as placebo, nonsense or whatever then fine, that's your perogative. I know it's working as the improved putting stats year on year back that up and I am getting results on the course

Just a question HJS, can you be sure that the better putting figures isn't down to better chipping?

 

[pokerjoke]

Gt

Just a question HJS, can you be sure that the better putting figures isn't down to better chipping?

This is a very good point,not just for Homer.
Homer did mention his chipping was getting better so you could be right.
Chipping closer and having shorter putts will improve putting stats considerably.

 

[Khamelion]

Not really sure what Aimpoint is, or what the other incarnations of it are, nor do I really want to know. When it comes to putting, be it a bounce game or comp, I'm not a pro playing for thousands, so walking 15 yards beyond the cup and then in large arc to behind my ball makes no difference. As for reading the green with your feet, feeling where you weight lies, how do you go about reading the borrows and rises along the line, or am I missing something fundamental?

After struggling with putting a bit last year, I've found that having a look at the green as your approach it, tells you 80% of what you need to know, the last 20% is getting behind the ball and looking for a little mark 1 foot in front of the ball, where you want the ball to roll over. The rest is down to pace.

 

[sawtooth]

I think I putted well at Blackmoor with 35 putts and I wasn't the only one to three putt 18 from where I was. That stemmed from a poor choice to go aerial with the approach and not low and running. Those that played with me will know that most of my putts were good reads and many had a change to go in and I made three or four ones from 6-12 feet with an Aimpoint read.

I learned through the midpoint method but have been able to use the knowledge on how Aimpoint works to start to use the express method with a degree of certainty and consistency. Gave Sawtooth a quick description on the 6th at Royal Ascot on Saturday, gave him my express read and it was perfect. All that was lacking was the pace on the putt to get it to the hole.

It does work, both midpoint and express and I'm happy to use it. Whether others believe it's hocus pocus or not is personal opinion but one thing I will say unequivocally is that it does not slow pace of play. Blackmoor proved that and I had a good read inside ten seconds without having to pace all around the green or look at the line from behind or the other side of the hole.

Yep I 3 putted the 18th after hitting the green in regulation.

Sadly it will take a bit more than Aimpoint to help my putting game out! I do like the concept though and providing it doesnt slow up play too much (and it works of course) then it can only be a good thing. Need to do some more digging on this.

Homer, you scored 36 points on Saturday, putting pretty solid I would say. :thup:

 

[Robobum]

Here we go again.

If I used Aimpoint and was so convinced it worked, I'd just sit back with a nice big cup of smugness in the knowledge that I had an advantage over those that doubt it.

Don't feel duty bound to defend it chaps, you're the winners here............aren't you?