On Friday, I took the Aimpoint Express course......

[ArnoldArmChewer]

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Just a question HJS, can you be sure that the better putting figures isn't down to better chipping?

My GIR stats are generally pants, but my season long putting stats are below my h/c average, this is mainly down to being able to get up and down quite regularly, Sunday was an extreme example, played really poorly scored 30 points but had 27 putts (from on the greens).

If I hit more GIR, I am guessing my putting stats will go up.

 

[Imurg]

My GIR stats are generally pants, but my season long putting stats are below my h/c average, this is mainly down to being able to get up and down quite regularly, Sunday was an extreme example, played really poorly scored 30 points but had 27 putts (from on the greens).

If I hit more GIR, I am guessing my putting stats will go up.

This is where the number of putts stat falls down.
In isolation its almost worthless
Last week I had 32 putts - 2 more than my average per round.
But I hit 12 GIR. Sunk 3 birdies but those extra GIR lead to those couple of extra putts.
Putts per GIR or actual distance of putts holed is more useful.

 

[MendieGK]

This is where the number of putts stat falls down.
In isolation its almost worthless
Last week I had 32 putts - 2 more than my average per round.
But I hit 12 GIR. Sunk 3 birdies but those extra GIR lead to those couple of extra putts.
Putts per GIR or actual distance of putts holed is more useful.

As a new user of aimpoint i would say -

Do i expect it to have a massive improvement on my putting? probably not. Not in isolation anyway as my stroke is too inconsistent, so i can read the putt as well as i like but a number of variables have to happen for it to go in.

50th in PGA tour putting stats from 15-20 ft only makes slightly more than 20% of their putts!

However, will it enable me to make a consistent read and be confident of the line absolutely.

Without trying to be controversial here - If a number of tour players are using it - including Lydia Ko who basically makes every putt she looks at, then there is clearly some merit in it.

As per usual on here, too many people take the 'knock it before you have tried it approach' whilst sitting there struggling to break 80 every week.

Personally, i am always looking for ways to improve so why wouldnt you give it a go?

 

[virtuocity]

Personally, i am always looking for ways to improve so why wouldnt you give it a go?

I would say that there are a few of reasons why Aimpoint is a contentious issue:

1. The 'people have been putting for 10000 years without Aimpoint' argument

2. The 'why do you want to confuse matters' approach of golfers who just take the club back, then through ©drive4show

3. The fact that those who do the course pay good money for it and naturally aren't too keen to train others who haven't paid

4. It causes slow play (a complete myth)

5. You look a bit silly (fair play)

6. It still involves skill, luck and an ability to judge pace

I like Aimpoint, and use it especially when there are heavy breaks. More significant, I enjoy learning new techniques, discussing golf mechanics and swings- sometimes more than actually practicing them, so the course whetted my appetite (and therefore was value for money). There will always be golfers who don't share this view (and that's absolutely fine). You only need to do a few searches for threads I've started on here which have racked up over a dozen pages where I look to open discussion about swing mechanics, such as 'release', 'stack and tilt', 'forearm rotation', 'arm vs shaft plane' with half of the responses being "Why do you want to think about that? You're thinking too much". Gareth is also good at invoking these kind of responses.

Ultimately, I try to live my life in a way where I don't criticise until I have built up enough knowledge on which I can offer an informed critique. I would feel quite uncomfortable adopting the 'pish, pash, posh' line for every new swing theory or technique without at least dipping my toe in the water (new ball flight laws anyone?).

 

[CMAC]

I would say that there are a few of reasons why Aimpoint is a contentious issue:

1. The 'people have been putting for 10000 years without Aimpoint' argument

2. The 'why do you want to confuse matters' approach of golfers who just take the club back, then through ©drive4show

3. The fact that those who do the course pay good money for it and naturally aren't too keen to train others who haven't paid

4. It causes slow play (a complete myth)

5. You look a bit silly (fair play)

6. It still involves skill, luck and an ability to judge pace

I like Aimpoint, and use it especially when there are heavy breaks. More significant, I enjoy learning new techniques, discussing golf mechanics and swings- sometimes more than actually practicing them, so the course whetted my appetite (and therefore was value for money). There will always be golfers who don't share this view (and that's absolutely fine). You only need to do a few searches for threads I've started on here which have racked up over a dozen pages where I look to open discussion about swing mechanics, such as 'release', 'stack and tilt', 'forearm rotation', 'arm vs shaft plane' with half of the responses being "Why do you want to think about that? You're thinking too much". Gareth is also good at invoking these kind of responses.

Ultimately, I try to live my life in a way where I don't criticise until I have built up enough knowledge on which I can offer an informed critique. I would feel quite uncomfortable adopting the 'pish, pash, posh' line for every new swing theory or technique without at least dipping my toe in the water (new ball flight laws anyone?).

totally disagree with #3

I've had lots of lessons which I've paid good money for and I am more than happy to impart any gleaned knowledge, as is anyone I have ever known or played with.

Maybe aimpoint people are a different breed however:mmm:

 

[virtuocity]

Maybe aimpoint people are a different breed however:mmm:

From my experience, I would agree that there is a stark difference between the willingness to share how a pro solved their slice (maybe, because there's 100 different ways and feels) and sharing an entire putting 'system'.

 

[MendieGK]

From my experience, I would agree that there is a stark difference between the willingness to share how a pro solved their slice (maybe, because there's 100 different ways and feels) and sharing an entire putting 'system'.

In all seriousness, its stupidly easy to learn.

 

[bladeplayer]

Like most things Golf , does it really matter if it works in general ?


Nope , if it works for u . use it ..!!!


I am a firm believer that at our level stats are rubbish tho .. what you sign for is all thats real and some days even that doesnt reflect how you have played

 

[CMAC]

From my experience, I would agree that there is a stark difference between the willingness to share how a pro solved their slice (maybe, because there's 100 different ways and feels) and sharing an entire putting 'system'.

boils down to the same thing- you are either selfish or not.

 

[3565]

I would say that there are a few of reasons why Aimpoint is a contentious issue:

1. The 'people have been putting for 10000 years without Aimpoint' argument

2. The 'why do you want to confuse matters' approach of golfers who just take the club back, then through ©drive4show

3. The fact that those who do the course pay good money for it and naturally aren't too keen to train others who haven't paid

4. It causes slow play (a complete myth)

5. You look a bit silly (fair play)

6. It still involves skill, luck and an ability to judge pace

I like Aimpoint, and use it especially when there are heavy breaks. More significant, I enjoy learning new techniques, discussing golf mechanics and swings- sometimes more than actually practicing them, so the course whetted my appetite (and therefore was value for money). There will always be golfers who don't share this view (and that's absolutely fine). You only need to do a few searches for threads I've started on here which have racked up over a dozen pages where I look to open discussion about swing mechanics, such as 'release', 'stack and tilt', 'forearm rotation', 'arm vs shaft plane' with half of the responses being "Why do you want to think about that? You're thinking too much". Gareth is also good at invoking these kind of responses.

Ultimately, I try to live my life in a way where I don't criticise until I have built up enough knowledge on which I can offer an informed critique. I would feel quite uncomfortable adopting the 'pish, pash, posh' line for every new swing theory or technique without at least dipping my toe in the water (new ball flight laws anyone?).

Totally agree with that statement. Someone said stop defending, if it works then all is good. its not about defending its about those who are not really informed on either this subject or any others for that matter who can't contribute then to berate those who try something different.

 

[SGC001]

boils down to the same thing- you are either selfish or not.

totally disagree with #3

I've had lots of lessons which I've paid good money for and I am more than happy to impart any gleaned knowledge, as is anyone I have ever known or played with.

Maybe aimpoint people are a different breed however:mmm:

I was under the impression it has some form of intellectual rights or copyright protection in place and anyone sharing it unless an authorised instructor of it could be sued.

 

[chillicon]

I was under the impression it has some form of intellectual rights or copyright protection in place and anyone sharing it unless an authorised instructor of it could be sued.

Do you have to sign a non-disclosure contract before doing the course?

 

[CMAC]

I was under the impression it has some form of intellectual rights or copyright protection in place and anyone sharing it unless an authorised instructor of it could be sued.

Do you have to sign a non-disclosure contract before doing the course?

now it's getting silly

 

[ScienceBoy]

I love putting and I am always happy to share my method.

1. You only have "control" of a putt to its first break point so find the spot where this happens.

2. Determine the pace needed at this point to hole the putt.

3. Hit a putt to this point with the intended pace.

 

[chrisd]

I've found one flaw in the system!

Having read up on it the idea is to stand on the green and feel the slope in your feet, no matter how little, so you know which way it'll break - not with replaced hips it seems!

I couldn't feel the slope at all!

 

[Piece]

My putting relies on visualising the breaks, nothing at all to do with gravity feel in the shoes! Pick a line and stroke the ball... good luck for those who use it - just not for me.

 

[Robobum]

Two questions if someone with Aimpoint knowledge would be so kind??

At what length of putt do you start using the technique?

Say you have a putt of 15ft, the correct read is inside right.......how do you "feel" such minute slope?

 

[pokerjoke]

Two questions if someone with Aimpoint knowledge would be so kind??

At what length of putt do you start using the technique?

Say you have a putt of 15ft, the correct read is inside right.......how do you "feel" such minute slope?

15ft 1"

 

[MendieGK]

Two questions if someone with Aimpoint knowledge would be so kind??

At what length of putt do you start using the technique?

Say you have a putt of 15ft, the correct read is inside right.......how do you "feel" such minute slope?

From that distance you'd make 1 read half way to the hole. If you saying its inside right, that would be approx 1degree of slope, so 1 finger.

It's amazingly accurate

 

[Robobum]

15ft 1"

Wouldn't be the first time I could've done with another inch!!