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Amazing how many people, me included, don't know all the rules.

Here are two common breaches I've witnessed recently. One competitor (4 handicap team player) on par 3 tee "I've got a 5 iron, what do you think?" Other competitor (single figures) "I'm taking a 6". Two stroke penalty to each.

Player hit his tee shot miles right. Two fellow competitors immediately shout "That's exactly where you were aiming!" Whoops, 2 stroke pen.

And how many people time the search for a lost ball properly? Not many.
 
Maninblack4612 said:
Amazing how many people, me included, don't know all the rules.

Here are two common breaches I've witnessed recently. One competitor (4 handicap team player) on par 3 tee "I've got a 5 iron, what do you think?" Other competitor (single figures) "I'm taking a 6". Two stroke penalty to each.

Player hit his tee shot miles right. Two fellow competitors immediately shout "That's exactly where you were aiming!" Whoops, 2 stroke pen.

And how many people time the search for a lost ball properly? Not many.
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The first bit (club advice) - yup - stupid people. The second - telling him that that was where he was aiming - don't think so. Advise him of his misalignment BEFORE he hits - then yes. Penalty.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The first bit (club advice) - yup - stupid people. The second - telling him that that was where he was aiming - don't think so. Advise him of his misalignment BEFORE he hits - then yes. Penalty.
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so it is amazing the number if folk that don't know the rules :rofl:

again this is moved as it isn't a question about rules more a discussion.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The first bit (club advice) - yup - stupid people. The second - telling him that that was where he was aiming - don't think so. Advise him of his misalignment BEFORE he hits - then yes. Penalty.
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I always thought if you are playing in a team event as original quote you can give team members advice ? Whats the rule for 4bbb partners on the tee as to clubbing advice / playing out of turn etc the rules differ in team events like medal and match play?
 
I dont know anyone in their profession that knows every rule and (law) inside out and thats their source of income, so it's quite understandable imo that we dont know all the rules for a pass time hobby.


I understand where the OP is coming from though as basic rules should be ingrained for experienced players
 
chris661 said:
so it is amazing the number if folk that don't know the rules :rofl:

again this is moved as it isn't a question about rules more a discussion.
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Your call but it does say that the Rules forum is : A place to discuss the Rules of Golf and post questions and queries about the rules so not really the wrong place
 
Maninblack4612 said:
Amazing how many people, me included, don't know all the rules.

Here are two common breaches I've witnessed recently. One competitor (4 handicap team player) on par 3 tee "I've got a 5 iron, what do you think?" Other competitor (single figures) "I'm taking a 6". Two stroke penalty to each.

Player hit his tee shot miles right. Two fellow competitors immediately shout "That's exactly where you were aiming!" Whoops, 2 stroke pen.

And how many people time the search for a lost ball properly? Not many.
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most people probably give up looking to early.
 
Maninblack4612 said:
Both are breaches of the rules because the advice on aim has a bearing on the way he hits his shots for the rest of the round.
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Is it advice tho or just stating a fact , if he said yea thats where you were aiming you might want to adjust your set up next time , then id class that as advice , id also think many of us break rules in chatting walking around without knowing .. i dont expect amateurs of our level to know all the rules , i also think if it comes to having to watch every thing we say in case its advice it will surely kill the game as an enjoyment

I think it probably comes under Chit Chat rather than advice tho , kinda like "take your time" in reply to "il finish out" when putting ..
 
bladeplayer said:
Is it advice tho or just stating a fact , if he said yea thats where you were aiming you might want to adjust your set up next time , then id class that as advice , id also think many of us break rules in chatting walking around without knowing .. i dont expect amateurs of our level to know all the rules , i also think if it comes to having to watch every thing we say in case its advice it will surely kill the game as an enjoyment

I think it probably comes under Chit Chat rather than advice tho , kinda like "take your time" in reply to "il finish out" when putting ..
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I might say to a FC who had just hammered his ball the wrong direction something like 'well you were aiming over there'. A statement of fact surely. But to be honest I just think that's what I would do - I can't say for sure that I ever have - in a comp - though I'm guessing that I have.
 
Maninblack4612 said:
Amazing how many people, me included, don't know all the rules.

Here are two common breaches I've witnessed recently. One competitor (4 handicap team player) on par 3 tee "I've got a 5 iron, what do you think?" Other competitor (single figures) "I'm taking a 6". Two stroke penalty to each.

Player hit his tee shot miles right. Two fellow competitors immediately shout "That's exactly where you were aiming!" Whoops, 2 stroke pen.

And how many people time the search for a lost ball properly? Not many.
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I am not convinced on number 2 either, as it did not influence the shot in question. Can you cite a decision of golf or other authoritative source?

Now if the player re-teed, and the FCs said, yep, you are doing it again, that is different and a penalty.
 
JustOne said:
I agree. This shouldn't be in the lounge IMO.
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Is it not a discussion about people not knowing the rules rather than a actual rules question tho ?

If the OP had asked what were the rules regarding the scenario he pointed out then yes its a rules question ..

Doesnt bother me where it goes to be honest but i dont see it as an actual rule query
 
Have always found the first hard to police, especially when playing with friends in non-drawn comps.

I may be incorrect but I think you are able to say out loud to yourself "I can't believe a 5 went big there" or "Not sure if I can get there with a 6, I'm going to hit a 5". Played in many groups where this is done, not directly giving / asking for advice and FC can use/ignore the statement as they see fit.
 
A player may ask for advice from his caddy or his team playing partner. You should not ask for or give advice to fellow competitors, unless it's a matter of public information such as the distance to the hole or the location of a bunker. See Rule 8-1. :)
 
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delc said:
A player may ask for advice from his caddy or his team playing partner. You should not ask for or give advice to fellow competitors, unless it's a matter of public information such as the distance to the hole or the location of a bunker. See Rule 8-1. :)
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If I spot a FC (not PP) misaligned before he has played his shot and I advise him of that - then penalty. If I tell him after he has played that he was misaligned and leave it at that - statement of fact. If I give him advice on what he could do next shot to correct his misalignment - advice - penalty.

Well that's how I differentiate.
 
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