Nick and Nigel

harpo_72 said:
The sad thing for the liberals is they will not be taken seriously for a long time. Farage will take Tory votes, simply because he attracts the uneducated bigots, seriously how much has the EC affected your lives negatively?? No one mentions the positives, the key goals of the EC have been achieved. Next time you go food shopping or eat a meal look at your plate and think about what would not be on it if we were not in the EC. Also think about the successful international companies employing uk people because the skills are here and we have a door to the European mainland with free trade ...if you don't want Europe live in America, you won't be missed.
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There is a misconception made regarding us leaving the EU and it's that if we did we would lose all our trade with them. Does anyone honestly believe that would happen, would Mercedes, Fiat,Volvo, Audi, Skoda, BMW Et Al not want to sell any of their cars to us, would that apply to all the other products that flood into the UK from Europe? Of course they would want to sell them and it would not be in their interest to apply trade barriers as they would lose out due to us importing more than we export.

Our membership costs us a lot of money indeed and we are one of the few net positive contributors. We have a door to the whole world to open trade agreements but we are hampered by the shackles of the big Euro state. I have confidence in my country and believe we can stand on our own feet and don't need the over regulation and shackles of the 'Gravy Train' to regulate us. We did it well enough before.

I would much rather live in the USA than what will be the United States of Europe, but I would prefer to live in Britain and one that can control it's own destiny, laws and trade. If you don't want that then live in France, you wont be missed :)
 
SocketRocket said:
It was the result of a challenge from Nick Clegg to Nigel Farage. I think the latter probably regrets making that challenge now!
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I thought Farage did quite well in the debate, would be surprised if he regrets it. Mind you Clegg is the political equivalent of a dodo - he just doesn't know it yet.

However, I find UKIP terrifying. Forget the EU issue, they are full of lunatics and bigots. They are barely distinguishable from the BNP and yet somehow manage to get away with it.
 
FairwayDodger said:
I thought Farage did quite well in the debate, would be surprised if he regrets it. Mind you Clegg is the political equivalent of a dodo - he just doesn't know it yet.

However, I find UKIP terrifying. Forget the EU issue, they are full of lunatics and bigots. They are barely distinguishable from the BNP and yet somehow manage to get away with it.
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Amen to that!

When the UKIP leader starts talking about his admiration for the style of leadership displayed by Putin I don't feel the need to worry about the rank and file of the party.
The leader alone scares me enough, total nutter!
 
FairwayDodger said:
I thought Farage did quite well in the debate, would be surprised if he regrets it. Mind you Clegg is the political equivalent of a dodo - he just doesn't know it yet.

However, I find UKIP terrifying. Forget the EU issue, they are full of lunatics and bigots. They are barely distinguishable from the BNP and yet somehow manage to get away with it.
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MetalMickie said:
Amen to that!

When the UKIP leader starts talking about his admiration for the style of leadership displayed by Putin I don't feel the need to worry about the rank and file of the party.
The leader alone scares me enough, total nutter!
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Agreed. Horrendous party. I think one of their MP's claimed being gay was a spiritual disease recently?!?!?!

Unfortunately though, they're growing in support with some people as the three main parties merge into one weird amalgamation of each other with leaders brought up almost identically and arguably not too dissimilar views deep down.

Trouble is, it's hard to keep points-scoring and arguing with each other if you actually agree with any of the others publicly. So they keep fighting and hindering any chance for noticeable improvements in the day to day life of Joe Public.
 
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FairwayDodger said:
However, I find UKIP terrifying. Forget the EU issue, they are full of lunatics and bigots. They are barely distinguishable from the BNP and yet somehow manage to get away with it.
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I don't find them terrifying and surprised you compare them to the BNP. Whilst a fringe party with an astronomically small chance of ever garnering any real power, what they are doing is bringing an issue relevant to the public to the fore, which the mainstream politicians refuse to do. That can only be a good thing.
 
FairwayDodger said:
However, I find UKIP terrifying. Forget the EU issue, they are full of lunatics and bigots. They are barely distinguishable from the BNP and yet somehow manage to get away with it.
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so true ! It seems that some of his extreme views are acceptable ... My grand father would be rolling in his grave, he fought this only for it to be resurrected ..
 
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SocketRocket said:
There is a misconception made regarding us leaving the EU and it's that if we did we would lose all our trade with them. Does anyone honestly believe that would happen, would Mercedes, Fiat,Volvo, Audi, Skoda, BMW Et Al not want to sell any of their cars to us, would that apply to all the other products that flood into the UK from Europe? Of course they would want to sell them and it would not be in their interest to apply trade barriers as they would lose out due to us importing more than we export.

Our membership costs us a lot of money indeed and we are one of the few net positive contributors. We have a door to the whole world to open trade agreements but we are hampered by the shackles of the big Euro state. I have confidence in my country and believe we can stand on our own feet and don't need the over regulation and shackles of the 'Gravy Train' to regulate us. We did it well enough before.

I would much rather live in the USA than what will be the United States of Europe, but I would prefer to live in Britain and one that can control it's own destiny, laws and trade. If you don't want that then live in France, you wont be missed :)
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You will have your German car no problem, it will cost you more that is all. All the companies exporting from the uk to Europe will leave as well. The agricultural industry will become dependent govt hand outs as well. Technologically the UK will fall behind, because those of us who can do it will have to search for jobs outside of this service economy. If you think the UK is a major player at anything your a deluded individual, we don't even have an aircraft carrier, our army is tiny, we have lost all our heavy industry, and we are selling out to the Chinese and Indians regarding our high tech manufacturing techniques. We are dependant on being part of a successful trading block. As for rules and regulation, what are you talking about?? Have you been reading a Murdoch rag again? Or are just being a WUM? ( I think that is your phrase for someone who is offering up a different opinion ... Isn't it?)
 
harpo_72 said:
You will have your German car no problem, it will cost you more that is all. All the companies exporting from the uk to Europe will leave as well. The agricultural industry will become dependent govt hand outs as well. Technologically the UK will fall behind, because those of us who can do it will have to search for jobs outside of this service economy. If you think the UK is a major player at anything your a deluded individual, we don't even have an aircraft carrier, our army is tiny, we have lost all our heavy industry, and we are selling out to the Chinese and Indians regarding our high tech manufacturing techniques. We are dependant on being part of a successful trading block. As for rules and regulation, what are you talking about?? Have you been reading a Murdoch rag again? Or are just being a WUM? ( I think that is your phrase for someone who is offering up a different opinion ... Isn't it?)
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So they would start a trade war where we put taxes on their imports. I dont think so.

As for the rest of your points . Tosh!
 
harpo_72 said:
Are you talking about 1973?
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A lot more recent than that... There is an opt out clause negotiated in the Maastricht treaty that we [the UK] don't have to join the Eurozone as part of our EU membership... Gordon's best days work ;)...

All the UK motor manufacturers, at the time, said we need to be in or they'd be out...
Well, they're still here...
 
51 year old and I still do not know what the benifits of being in Europe are. No one as actually sat me down and explained. Shown me in black and white. No one. If it is that good it should be easy to sell, but it's not. Why?

the biggest advocate of being in Europe came up against the political clown, and guess what the clown won hands down against the deputy prime minister. If owt happens to Cameron, MR clagg nut is in charge and running the show. The rest of Europe is laughing at us. The biggest mouth re us staying in Europe could not sell it and how much harm has that done for his cause.

at the last election I was conned by Mr Clagg Nut but not this time.
 
I find it ironic that the nutters that support the UKIP, seem to be the same people who decry the possibility of Scottish independence.

Little Englanders...:rofl:
 
Iaing said:
I find it ironic that the nutters that support the UKIP, seem to be the same people who decry the possibility of Scottish independence.

Little Englanders...:rofl:
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In which case you clearly have not been following the debates on the forum.

See post #23 and then the comments made by myself and other pro-Union and pro-EU posters.
 
MegaSteve said:
A lot more recent than that... There is an opt out clause negotiated in the Maastricht treaty that we [the UK] don't have to join the Eurozone as part of our EU membership... Gordon's best days work ;)...

All the UK motor manufacturers, at the time, said we need to be in or they'd be out...
Well, they're still here...
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I know I've made this point on the other thread, but I'll say it again.No country has to join the eurozone simply because it's an EU member state.There are certain criteria each country has to fulfill before becoming a euro country and it's at the discretion of each individual country when they decide to meet those criteria.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
I know I've made this point on the other thread, but I'll say it again.No country has to join the eurozone simply because it's an EU member state.There are certain criteria each country has to fulfill before becoming a euro country and it's at the discretion of each individual country when they decide to meet those criteria.
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OK... I may have made my point incorrectly... But, it still remains 'big business' were stating that if UK didn't become part of the Eurozone they'd walk... We didn't and neither did they [leave UK]... Which is why I [on the other thread] said take what 'big business' says with a pinch of salt [or words to that effect]...
 
MegaSteve said:
OK... I may have made my point incorrectly... But, it still remains 'big business' were stating that if UK didn't become part of the Eurozone they'd walk... We didn't and neither did they [leave UK]... Which is why I [on the other thread] said take what 'big business' says with a pinch of salt [or words to that effect]...
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an interesting point of view, and one I tend to agree with.Does that opinion still stand with Standard Life etc re@the other thread
 
Iaing said:
I find it ironic that the nutters that support the UKIP, seem to be the same people who decry the possibility of Scottish independence.

Little Englanders...:rofl:
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No one decry's scottish independence. If you want it have it. The working person in the streets of England doesn't care a jot whether you stay in Britain or go and become an independent scots state. What we do care about is the masses of immigrants flooding into the country. I do not care about the Europeans but why is our part of the country being flooded with Africans?
I'm firmly with Farage. I'm fed up to the back teeth of namby pamby take care of myself politics.
 
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