New scoring - MABLEFORD

When i mentioned this, "maybe as an option it should be possible to have minus points" in a previous thread , it was kinda frowned upon aswell .. to me its not a true reflection of how you played , but hey , guess we gota accept when you enter a comp be it strokes, SF . VPar what ever, you know what your geting into so just play ,


There has to be formats for all levels to enjoy golf , if you stuck to strokes my guess is youd loose 60-70 % of people playing comps .
 
Stableford is less silly than matchplay, in terms of proprtionality.

If you score a 8 and I score a 3, I only get the same 1 hole benefit as if I just beat you by one shot. Likewise stableford limits the damage on a hole, although in a more graded manner than matchplay. Adding a - points makes little difference except to raise the cut-off between stableford and stroke by a shot.
 
Seems there's never a great support for Stableford as a scoring format on these threads but then a whole host of folks who post on other threads telling us of their points scored that day.

Is it really a popular format?

Also when scores are posted on threads its frequently in order of 1)points, then 2)nett, then 3)how much under/over handicap, then eventually 4)gross or actual score (if we're lucky)

Why is there such a movement to mask how many strokes (inc penalty strokes) that it took folks to go round in!
 
Slab said:
Why is there such a movement to mask how many strokes (inc penalty strokes) that it took folks to go round in!
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Don't know but it would be funny for someone to come in and say they had 31pts with 2 blobs and 2 mable's :D

Scenario....

18 h/capper with a shot faces a 440yrd par 4 they carve their tee shot 80yds into the cabbage never to be seen again reload and now need to make birdie with their 2nd ball for 2pts, they rarely even par the hole so are staring at a 0 pointer, often they just 'pick up' (well kind of).... if they don't they are then practically forced to take on some kind of miracle shot with their 2nd ball and more often than not that goes pear-shaped (slowing down play even more) wouldn't it be better if they continued the hole and tried to make that par with the 2nd ball to avoid putting a MINUS 1 on their card?

Let's face it a lot of people don't EVER pick up..... everyone wants to putt out, you'll often see people putting and when asked they say "That's an 8 for me.... blob" so why not keep people in the hole for a bit longer? Isn't that more fun for everyone?
 
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I do prefer your mableford approach (if we do have to have a points system) & see the sense in widening the gap between the varying performances on a no-score hole, the stableford format just doesn't penalise enough for me to take it seriously as a format
 
As one of the discussees on this yesterday evening, I quite like the idea and would be prepared to give it a go to see how it stacks up. Would be interested to hear the thoughts of the powers that be at GM Towers. Even better if they'd support the 'experiment' and arranged for it to take place at somewhere like Sunningdale, Walton Heath or The Grove..............!! :whistle: :whoo:
 
PieMan said:
As one of the discussees on this yesterday evening, I quite like the idea and would be prepared to give it a go to see how it stacks up. Would be interested to hear the thoughts of the powers that be at GM Towers. Even better if they'd support the 'experiment' and arranged for it to take place at somewhere like Sunningdale, Walton Heath or The Grove..............!! :whistle: :whoo:
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I could be persuaded to help as well
 
So basically what your saying is that if you waste your shot, it gets deducted from your score? I like it, I like it a lot. Maybe it should be trialled at the next forum meet alongside stableford scores to see how much difference it makes?
 
Playing in Turkey with a 36 handicapper. Got to a par 3 where he was getting two shots.
I hit a superb 7 iron into the green, difficult pin position. I couldn't have hit it any better and my ball finished about 5 feet past the hole (I won the nearest the pin competition on that one!). The 28 handicapper oinked his iron so far right he decided to play a provisional. He did the same with his second ball. When we got to where his balls were, he found the first one at the bottom of a bank. He then stubbed his next shot into said bank whilst I looked on. He then thinned his next attempt over the green and ended up in a bunker. He fatted his shot out of the sand and canned a longish putt for a 5. Because he was getting two shots he scored 2 points. I just lipped out for the birdie and left myself a gimme 3 for 2 points because I wasn't shotting.
It's tough being good isn't it James?
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I like stableford, nice relaxing format that keeps the "I can still win" attitude going and makes a poor hole less of a downer. If I am out to play for fun then matchplay or stableford win. If its a little more serious then strokeplay all the way baby!

One tweak I would make to mableford is that you counter it by making a nett birdie 4 points (so there is no 3 pointer) and going up from there. This rewards attacking and better play.
 
Slab said:
Stableford is a joke system, it's there for amateur hackers to feel good about being poor golfers, it serves no other purpose than to act as a pretence that we're better than we are

The irony being that stableford is pointless
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The irony is that what a lot of people think is a joke is actually used to work out all their handicaps.
 
This is the same as stableford, except you're capping scores at triple bogey rather than double.

You complain about it not being fair that you make a 6, your mate makes an 11 and you both get zero points, yet in Mableford if you get a 7 and your mate a 12 then you both get -1. By your previous logic, that's still unfair. You haven't solved the problem that led you to consider a new system in the first place.
 
We played a Medford on captains day, you deduct the stableford points from the medal score. Now this was done in pairs one playing each scoring system but could easily be used per player.
 
Ian_S said:
This is the same as stableford, except you're capping scores at triple bogey rather than double.

You complain about it not being fair that you make a 6, your mate makes an 11 and you both get zero points, yet in Mableford if you get a 7 and your mate a 12 then you both get -1. By your previous logic, that's still unfair. You haven't solved the problem that led you to consider a new system in the first place.
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But it rewards someone who nearly scored a point. You can play for a 0 points. Surely a 0 should be somone who didn't sink the putt for a point, not the person who racked up a phone book off the tee and would have scored a gross 28 on one hole?

If I blob a hole under the current system, it is rare that I have not had a putt for a point.

Mapleford would offer some reward for the consistent over the current system where some one can get 40 points with 4 blobs and win. If those blobs were for 0, then that's fair, he has played pretty solid golf, but if they were 4 minus 1s, then he would have 36 points and win naff all, which is fair enough.
 
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