Nani red card!

[smange]

For the anti United brigade who cant see the woods for the trees

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DRcdX9-U1Uk

Should this have been a red card? Or are you all deliberately avoiding talking about this incident as it makes nonsense of your "United get all the decisions" nonsense

Many times worse than Nanis' attempt to control the ball and also deliberate but sure it went against United so that will make it ok in many people's eyes.

 

[Fish]

Most of the leagues have runaway leaders this year though. Barcelona around 10 points clear, Bayern 15 points approx etc however I do agree the standard in the Prem is nowhere near what it was 7-8 years ago. The few big teams are that strong nobody else has a chance really. You can predict the winners of the top division most years in almost every league as there is only 2 or 3 teams that stand a chance. Bundesliga is probably the best league overall at the moment for me

My wife loves that I am like Manchester City, I stay on top for ages and then end up coming second :smirk:

 

[Hooper]

Most of the leagues have runaway leaders this year though. Barcelona around 10 points clear, Bayern 15 points approx etc however I do agree the standard in the Prem is nowhere near what it was 7-8 years ago. The few big teams are that strong nobody else has a chance really. You can predict the winners of the top division most years in almost every league as there is only 2 or 3 teams that stand a chance. Bundesliga is probably the best league overall at the moment for me

Agree. Even the EPL top teams are not that great compared to the others in Europe, UTD aside. I dream of the day when there are 10-12 teams all with a chance of winning the title but that is never going to happen.

 

[pbrown7582]

and its only going to get worse not btter with the finicial fair play legistation comes in.

most leagues are made up of 3/4 segments, where you have 3 maybe 4 teams max that can win it. 3/4 fighting for places in europe. then 6 or so mid table and 6 fighting to stave off relagation.

 

[Hooper]

and its only going to get worse not btter with the finicial fair play legistation comes in.

most leagues are made up of 3/4 segments, where you have 3 maybe 4 teams max that can win it. 3/4 fighting for places in europe. then 6 or so mid table and 6 fighting to stave off relagation.

Great I am looking forward to cancelling my subscription but hold on next month is going to be amazing, fantastic, the best ever...maybe I will wait and see. ;-)

 

[In_The_Rough]

Agree. Even the EPL top teams are not that great compared to the others in Europe, UTD aside. I dream of the day when there are 10-12 teams all with a chance of winning the title but that is never going to happen.

To be fair bud, there has never really been a time when a load of teams stand a chance. I can remember back in the day when there were 5-6 team that had a realistic chance and a few others were not that far behind. Now though the top 2 or 3 teams are that far in front it is a waste of time really. The bubble will burst eventually when that happens who knows until then its a 2 or 3 horse race every year.

With regards to the other comment about financial fair play I am sure teams will find ways round that as they are far smarter than the muppets at FIFA and UEFA. Anyway Platini might try and get that changed now that PSG have Arab owners and are spending money like water, another £150 mil for squad strengthning in the summer they are saying!!!

 

[MadAdey]

For the anti United brigade who cant see the woods for the trees

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DRcdX9-U1Uk

Should this have been a red card? Or are you all deliberately avoiding talking about this incident as it makes nonsense of your "United get all the decisions" nonsense

Many times worse than Nanis' attempt to control the ball and also deliberate but sure it went against United so that will make it ok in many people's eyes.

I do not understand how this is many times worse than Nani? He has miscontrolled the ball then gone for it and hit Evra, dangerous attempt to play the ball definately. But obviously a lot worse than trying to get he ball and putting your nearly 6 foot off the ground, as that was ok?

United fans need to get a grip and accept that a big decision has not gone their way.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I do not understand how this is many times worse than Nani? He has miscontrolled the ball then gone for it and hit Evra, dangerous attempt to play the ball definately. But obviously a lot worse than trying to get he ball and putting your nearly 6 foot off the ground, as that was ok?

United fans need to get a grip and accept that a big decision has not gone their way.

+1. No studs up, nowhere near the same.

 

[Kellfire]

No studs up,

You need new eyes.

 

[Blue in Munich]

You need new eyes.

45 degrees to the deck at best, but more to the point, the foot went across the front of him and contact was with the leg, rather than the studs. Unlike the challenge in question, where the studs were most definitely up and definitely made contact. My eyes tell me there's no comparison between the two tackles, and on that basis there's not a lot wrong with them.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I suppose if you are used to getting decisions like this (relevant bits from 50 seconds on)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpitiO90c4

then you would feel hard done by at Nani's sending off.

But then United never get a decision do they?

 

[MadAdey]

I suppose if you are used to getting decisions like this (relevant bits from 50 seconds on)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpitiO90c4

then you would feel hard done by at Nani's sending off.

But then United never get a decision do they?

This is the problem Blue, moan on and on about a decision that did not go their way. I have seen a few dodgy ones this year against my team but I do not go on about it.

Why will the United fans not accept that under the rules of the game the referee was within his rights to send him off for serious foul play on the fact that in going for the ball Nani endangered and opponent.

I will still stand by what I say in I think it was harsh but the ref used a rule of the game as laid out in the FIFA rule book that justified in him showing the red card to Nani.

Has Fergie gone to UEFA yet to argue the red card?

 

[Kellfire]

This is the problem Blue, moan on and on about a decision that did not go their way. I have seen a few dodgy ones this year against my team but I do not go on about it.

Why will the United fans not accept that under the rules of the game the referee was within his rights to send him off for serious foul play on the fact that in going for the ball Nani endangered and opponent.

I will still stand by what I say in I think it was harsh but the ref used a rule of the game as laid out in the FIFA rule book that justified in him showing the red card to Nani.

Has Fergie gone to UEFA yet to argue the red card?

United fan here and I totally accept why he gave a red even if I feel a yellow was warranted. The inconsistency gets me, I believe Arbeloa's booking was worthy of the same punishment so I believe both should have been booked or sent off.

 

[MadAdey]

United fan here and I totally accept why he gave a red even if I feel a yellow was warranted. The inconsistency gets me, I believe Arbeloa's booking was worthy of the same punishment so I believe both should have been booked or sent off.

Fair point mate. I am just getting annoyed with constantly hearing from United fans that moan that it was never a red card in a million years. Your the first one that I have heard accept the referee was within his rights to give it.

 

[Kellfire]

Fair point mate. I am just getting annoyed with constantly hearing from United fans that moan that it was never a red card in a million years. Your the first one that I have heard accept the referee was within his rights to give it.

Yea I've no time for the more blinkered of our fans.

 

[Blue in Munich]

This is the problem Blue, moan on and on about a decision that did not go their way. I have seen a few dodgy ones this year against my team but I do not go on about it.

Why will the United fans not accept that under the rules of the game the referee was within his rights to send him off for serious foul play on the fact that in going for the ball Nani endangered and opponent.

I will still stand by what I say in I think it was harsh but the ref used a rule of the game as laid out in the FIFA rule book that justified in him showing the red card to Nani.

Has Fergie gone to UEFA yet to argue the red card?

Every team gets them given against them Adey, it's the nature of the game and it isn't helped by Sky's super-slo-mo replays from 87 different angles, every one of them not from the angle that the ref had one, which are then analysed by the ex-pros in the studio who never knew the rules when they played, let alone have studied them since, and on such expert analysis, armchair fans accept it as fact that he was hard done to. It's Europe, any foot above knee high runs the risk & this was well above knee high.

I have no doubt that Nani was only going for the ball, but that is irrelevant under the rules. I can have some degree of sympathy with the fact that the rules are applied so differently, as this video proves. But my acid test for this one is what would Fergie have done had it been Arbeloa on Nani. And we all know the answer to that one.

As to why United fans can't accept that they get more go for them than against, your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Foxholer]

Fair point mate. I am just getting annoyed with constantly hearing from United fans that moan that it was never a red card in a million years. Your the first one that I have heard accept the referee was within his rights to give it.

From what I understand, Red Card is the standard 'punishment' for this offence in the rest of Europe.

I believe it would have been a Yellow at worst in Premiere League - as the commentators forecast.

While there is obviously an interpretation/assessment element in each case, once a Ref determines which clause of a Rule the offence comes under, it is not a case of 'within his rights' but 'obliged' or 'shall'.

 

[MadAdey]

Every team gets them given against them Adey, it's the nature of the game and it isn't helped by Sky's super-slo-mo replays from 87 different angles, every one of them not from the angle that the ref had one, which are then analysed by the ex-pros in the studio who never knew the rules when they played, let alone have studied them since, and on such expert analysis, armchair fans accept it as fact that he was hard done to. It's Europe, any foot above knee high runs the risk & this was well above knee high.

I have no doubt that Nani was only going for the ball, but that is irrelevant under the rules. I can have some degree of sympathy with the fact that the rules are applied so differently, as this video proves. But my acid test for this one is what would Fergie have done had it been Arbeloa on Nani. And we all know the answer to that one.

As to why United fans can't accept that they get more go for them than against, your guess is as good as mine.

It is the so called experts on the TV that are the problem, I am sure that not one of them have ever read the rules.

Here are some of the mazing rules that they use that appear no where in the FIFA rule book that I was reading:

He was not looking at the player
He showed no intent
He was trying to play the ball
He did know the player was there
and so many more that you hear from them.

All of the above you hear the so called experts using, but I do not remember reading them in the rule book, problem is that people take it as gospel from them. Please correct me if I am wrong and tell me where in the rule book those statements are.

 

[Kellfire]

As to why United fans can't accept that they get more go for them than against, your guess is as good as mine.

It simply isn't true, that's why.

When we have stone wall penalty decisions or red cards goes against us, it very often doesn't affect the end result of the game so it all gets lost in the mix. This is the same of other top teams so you'd do well to open your eyes to it; people feel the same about your club.

Notice how no one is talking about the penalty we should have had on Tuesday late on? Would it have changed things? Probably not. But remember Munich 1999...

And remember the sending off that never was in Madrid when Evra was taken out when clean through? Nope, thought not... because we ended up getting a draw and that was considered enough to give us a good result.

Game after game we see decisions go for AND against us just like every other team.

Check out the debateable decisions website that shows how decisions widely agreed to be wrong actually impacted us last season... It's grim reading for a Man Utd fan.

 

[MadAdey]

From what I understand, Red Card is the standard 'punishment' for this offence in the rest of Europe.

I believe it would have been a Yellow at worst in Premiere League - as the commentators forecast.

While there is obviously an interpretation/assessment element in each case, once a Ref determines which clause of a Rule the offence comes under, it is not a case of 'within his rights' but 'obliged' or 'shall'.

I know that the referee has to send him off, if he sees it as serious foul play. The reason I use the term "within his rights" is that I am trying to make the point that even though it may have been harsh, the referee was not wrong to determine it as serious foul play, in his opinion.