Nani red card!

[Liverbirdie]

Other thoughts about last night:-

Ferguson should have picked Rooney, Rooney more than any other player, get Man U playing in little 5-a-side games all over the pitch. He dictates their style.

Nani - high,makes contact - maybe, and I do mean maybe slightly harsh.

Rafael - should have been a pen, when he handled on the line. Probably a red also.

Ramos challenge - penalty to man U.

Ferguson - lost his head for 15 mins, man U could have defended their lead, maybe even only letting one in, still would not have lost the tie. In the 15 mins he lost it, it was nearly tie over, a very good late rally by united nearly got back into it, but the damage was done by then.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Interesting to hear Dermot Gallaghers view on the incident. Think he knows a bit about the game.

'The decision was harsh to say the least, but in fairness the Real player did Nani no favours whatsoever. At worst Nani catches the underside of his arm, certainly not the ribs as the guy has gone down and shown. I can't reiterate enough that Nani is watching the ball over his shoulder and there was no malice in him. At worst it is a yellow for dangerous play, but if I was referring the game I can not see by what stretch of the imagination I would have sent him off.'

I personally am not biased towards Man Utd, but that was not a sending off offence. As I said before every bicycle kick in the box could become a sending off offence. How many volleys do you see in a game at above waist height ? Are people saying you can only raise your foot to kick the ball, if you are 100% sure you are not going to catch an opponent. These incidents happen regularily in games, and players are not sent off. Nani watched the ball as it travelled 30 yards, he tried to control it over his shoulder, not smash it away, his foot caught a player that moved towards the ball behind his eye line. Two players trying to control the same ball. The clips that are being shown do not show the whole incident just the moment of impact.

I watched the incident live, have watched it replayed in slow motion many times and in my opinion it is not a sending off offence.

Dermot Gallagher is the ex-premier ref, who has a Man U tattoo on his leg.

Just thought I'd let you know. Graham Poll said a red was right today. One man's opinion does not necessarily make it right or wrong.

 

[richart]

Here go, tell me the Real player doesn't chest the ball first?

http://videa.hu/videok/sport/man.united-vs-real-madrid-nani-arbeloa-MQby6rX8DISNLhUY

If you freeze the action, Nani's foot misses the ball by about three inches. They are both going for the ball. Nani is trying to control it, not kick out recklessly. Yes his foot is high, just above waist high, but you see that all the time in games.

Strangely the only player I have heard say it was a sending off is Roy Keane.

 

[richart]

Dermot Gallagher is the ex-premier ref, who has a Man U tattoo on his leg.

Just thought I'd let you know. Graham Poll said a red was right today. One man's opinion does not necessarily make it right or wrong.

But isn't Graham Poll a current ref that has to toe the party line ? Gallagher ex ref can say what he thinks.

 

[Liverbirdie]

But isn't Graham Poll a current ref that has to toe the party line ? Gallagher ex ref can say what he thinks.

Poll finished about 2 years ago.

Gallagher is an ex ref, who is still a man U fan. I'm not saying he wont call it as he believes it, but thought I'd give you more info, as to his background.

 

[richart]

Nobody volleys a ball studs first though do they? What if his boot had caught his face? Still no red or is that now dangerous enough for a red?

His boot was just above waist height, so unlikely to catch him in the face. He was trying to control the ball, not kicking out. Yes if he had attempted a flying volley than that would have been different. His foot his hanging out to try and take the ball down.

 

[richart]

http://gifninja.com/animated-gifs/146477/homer-simpson-mooning

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I really needed that image before I go to bed.

 

[richart]

Poll finished about 2 years ago.

Gallagher is an ex ref, who is still a man U fan. I'm not saying he wont call it as he believes it, but thought I'd give you more info, as to his background.

I see Gallagher on Sky sports reviewing the refs decisions, and he seems ok, though like most refs he does seem to favour his mates.

As a Reading supporter I have never experienced any referee bias.

 

[shagster]

yes clear red - he could have seriously hurt someone as he was not aware of the opposition
no one has pointed out har far off the ground the real player was. if he was on the ground, it would have been just below the neck - not dangerous- take the blinkers off. what would the outcome have been if the real player went to head the ball.
there does not need to be intent
the united attitude was typical from fergie rushing around to the idiot ferdinand - who should have the book thrown at him, the only thing they didnt do was chase the ref down the touchline, then they would deal with uefa, not the puppets at the DO FA

shagster

 

[Stuart_Wales]

yes clear red - he could have seriously hurt someone as he was not aware of the opposition
no one has pointed out har far off the ground the real player was. if he was on the ground, it would have been just below the neck - not dangerous- take the blinkers off. what would the outcome have been if the real player went to head the ball.
there does not need to be intent
the united attitude was typical from fergie rushing around to the idiot ferdinand - who should have the book thrown at him, the only thing they didnt do was chase the ref down the touchline, then they would deal with uefa, not the puppets at the DO FA

shagster

You need to get a yorkie into you and man up!

If that was a red card, then expect to see 20+ red cards this weekend...

 

[MadAdey]

Why is no one reading the rules of football during this debate. I have put up the rules for red cards and then the interpretation for serious foul play, which is one of the times a ref can show a straight red. Does anyone think that what Nani did was NOT likely to endanger another player?

Everyone has a different opinion on this and obviously United fans feel hard done to, as it possibly cost them the game. But the facts still remain the same:
50/50 ball
Arbaloa gets there first knocking the ball forward
Nani is a split second later and puts his studs into him chest height in the side of the rib cage

So a set of studs into someone rib cage after the ball has been played is not dangerous then? If it is, then he is being punished under the rule of serious foul play which is a straight red. I will still say it was a bit harsh, but it just annoys me when people keep saying it was never a red card. The referee was justified in giving a red card for that incident whether you like it or not.

I am just wondering how many more people on here have the ability to read minds through the TV screen, because people keep putting on what Nani was thinking at the time he did it..........

Regarding people going on about over head kicks, this is the rule on them:

Playing in a dangerous manner
Playing in a dangerous manner is defined as any action that, while
trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player
himself). It is committed with an opponent nearby and prevents the opponent
from playing the ball for fear of injury.


A scissors or bicycle kick is permissible provided that, in the opinion of the
referee, it is not dangerous to an opponent.

 

[Mr_T]

Why is no one reading the rules of football during this debate. I have put up the rules for red cards and then the interpretation for serious foul play, which is one of the times a ref can show a straight red. Does anyone think that what Nani did was NOT likely to endanger another player?

Everyone has a different opinion on this and obviously United fans feel hard done to, as it possibly cost them the game. But the facts still remain the same:
50/50 ball
Arbaloa gets there first knocking the ball forward
Nani is a split second later and puts his studs into him chest height in the side of the rib cage

So a set of studs into someone rib cage after the ball has been played is not dangerous then? If it is, then he is being punished under the rule of serious foul play which is a straight red. I will still say it was a bit harsh, but it just annoys me when people keep saying it was never a red card. The referee was justified in giving a red card for that incident whether you like it or not.

I am biased here as a united fan but unless Im mistaken (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) but the letter of the law was lunging and excessive force, I understand the fact that technically the players safety was in danger but Nani didn't lunge At arbeloa and didn't use excessive force as he was trying to control the ball, intent doesn't matter but surely the ref must look at the situation and take into account the context of the challenge? I doubt you would see the same challenge getting many red cards in the premier league

 

[Fish]

I am biased here as a united fan but unless Im mistaken (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) but the letter of the law was lunging and excessive force, I understand the fact that technically the players safety was in danger but Nani didn't lunge At arbeloa and didn't use excessive force as he was trying to control the ball, intent doesn't matter but surely the ref must look at the situation and take into account the context of the challenge? I doubt you would see the same challenge getting many red cards in the premier league

Whether he was attempting to control the ball or not is of no significance, the end result was his foot was high, he was late as the Real player has already chested the ball and as Nani was late his foot went into the Real players rib cage with the ball now gone forward off the Real players chest and when you consider the Real player was around 12" off the ground, Nani's foot is then very high with studs showing and so yes it could possibly be a red in any game in the world including the premiership.

His intentions of controlling the ball and their being no intent to harm are insignificant, it is the consequence of him being late, not getting the ball but getting the man and how the ref has seen that in the flash seconds he has.

Being 1 nil up at that time and putting himself in that almost 50/50 position where if he gets it wrong, which he did, he alone let his side down.

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[pbrown7582]

I doubt you would see the same challenge getting many red cards in the premier league

DOUBT there's no doubt about it you would never see a red card in The PL for trying to control the ball.
It's just an excuse for the massive ABU brigade to have a pop and bask in Uniteds misery.

:rant: :rant:

 

[MadAdey]

I am biased here as a united fan but unless Im mistaken (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) but the letter of the law was lunging and excessive force, I understand the fact that technically the players safety was in danger but Nani didn't lunge At arbeloa and didn't use excessive force as he was trying to control the ball, intent doesn't matter but surely the ref must look at the situation and take into account the context of the challenge? I doubt you would see the same challenge getting many red cards in the premier league

I have seen softer red cards in the premier league. The thing that people can't get their head around in this is by doing what he did he put the ref in a position where he had to make a decision to give him a red or yellow. Whether it was harsh or not, the ref was within his rights to send him off.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Well whatever your views, it's a moot point as it isn't going to be rescinded
It happened, best get used to it

I still harp on about Jeff Astle being yards offside scoring for west brom V Leeds in about 1971
Cost Leeds the title that did, grrrr

 

[pbrown7582]

Well whatever your views, it's a moot point as it isn't going to be rescinded
It happened, best get used to it

I still harp on about Jeff Astle being yards offside scoring for west brom V Leeds in about 1971
Cost Leeds the title that did, grrrr

thers loads like that Bobby Stokes in 76 cup final

 

[RichardC]

Well whatever your views, it's a moot point as it isn't going to be rescinded
It happened, best get used to it

I still harp on about Jeff Astle being yards offside scoring for west brom V Leeds in about 1971
Cost Leeds the title that did, grrrr

Exactly right.

Applying the letter of the law to every incident will see football become a farce. I have seem far far worse that got nothing and much less that received the same.

United (and others) have had things go their way in the past, and this is one that did not.

No doubt that there will be more of this, as im sure the powers that be want all the physical side removed from the game.

 

[Hooper]

I was disappointed that it had such a big impact on the game as I thought it was building up nicely afer a slow first half but I could only see one outcome from then on and it's boring when that happens. Fair play to Jose for going on the offensive straight away as it paid off and respect to UTD for creating a couple of chances although they were easy saves IMO. English teams out of CL and top is 12 points clear. It's the best league in the world isn't it? ;-)

 

[In_The_Rough]

Most of the leagues have runaway leaders this year though. Barcelona around 10 points clear, Bayern 15 points approx etc however I do agree the standard in the Prem is nowhere near what it was 7-8 years ago. The few big teams are that strong nobody else has a chance really. You can predict the winners of the top division most years in almost every league as there is only 2 or 3 teams that stand a chance. Bundesliga is probably the best league overall at the moment for me