Nani red card!

[Akie]

If the boot was on the other foot (no pun intended) and it was a Utd player getting studs in the guts by a flying kung fu kick. Fergie would have been screaming from the roof tops for a red card or return of the death penalty. He is the biggest hypocrite in the game, and had no bottle to face TV cameras after the game


Keane was the only man talking sense last night. The game wasn’t spoilt for me, only for Utd fans, and that was Nani’s fault, not the ref for doing his job in such an overwhelming hostile atmosphere. Now that’s bottle

I'd check with Tim Flowers first, he really does know something about bottle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYWr-n87EmQ

 

[Stuey01]

Cant really say the ref cost them the game when Rafael tipped one off the line which would of been a red card and a penalty to boot.

This is a great point.
I'm in the camp that Nani's red was a bit harsh, but on balance they got away with one there with Rafael. Ebbs and flows... swings and rounabouts... win some, lose some. Whatever cliche you like.

The worst decision on the night surely lies with Fergie not making changes in response to a) the red card b) Real equalising c) going behind. Why did he wait so long? Bizarre.
Mourinho wasn't afraid to make changes and putting on Modric swung the game.

Giggs was immense, for 75 minutes, but he looked tired at the end - 90+minutes at 39years old, when you're down to 10 men? what was Fergie thinking?

Mourinho was very magnanimous in victory, eye on the next job probably. Shame Fergie couldn't be a grown up and take it on the chin. Sending his assistant to the post match press conference? what a child. Pathetic.

Rio is a douche as well, the ref should have red carded him at the end.

Apart from all that I thought Man U played really well until the sending off, and Welbeck was excellent.

 

[Birchy]

Remember when the Swansea player accidentally smacked the ball into Van Persies head earlier and season? It didnt matter to Fergie that it was accidental did it? He still screamed blue murder.

Thats the trouble with him, theres never any perpective. Hes always trying to bend everything in his favour and when it goes against him he just cant handle it.

 

[MadAdey]

I cant see anything Nani did in that list ,esp not SERIOUS foul play mate , surely serious foul play is TRYING to hurt an opponent ? high boot maybe , but he was trying to control the ball not kick some one , guy came from behind him .. So overhead and bicycle kicks should be banned ,?Problem is alot of therse refs have never played the game at a high level , happens in a split second , which i can understand the ref might have trouble seeing , he should take a step back , consult his linesmen etc , get their opinion then make the decision , there is too much at stake in these games now ..CANT believe im defending utd ..hope ferdinand does get punished for his childish antics tho ..

I did say that I thought it was harsh, but what I highlighted is the only the way I can see the referee for sending him off. Who says that Nani did not know that he was coming in and did do it to hurt him, how do you know that Nani did not know he was coming? The referee can not make a judgement on what Nani was thinking at the time. All he can do is make a judgement on what he saw. What he saw was a 50/50 ball and Nani put his foot, studs showing, well above weast height and stick it into another players ribs. He obviously interpeted it as dangerous, which then falls into the serious foul play rule. Harsh decission and if it was my team I would be gutted with it, but the way he saw it was a red card offence.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It was a booking but certainly not a red.

As a Geordie, as much as it pains me to say this I think Man Utd can still do this. Think English

Aye right!

 

[Akie]

At the end of the day it probably shouldn't have been a sending off but Utd had a lead to hold onto and failed to keep it. Even with 10 men they could have done that.

 

[richart]

Remember when the Swansea player accidentally smacked the ball into Van Persies head earlier and season? It didnt matter to Fergie that it was accidental did it? He still screamed blue murder.

An accident.:mmm: Think I will have to look up the definition of accident. Didn't realise it meant hammering the ball into someones head on purpose.

I wonder what promises the ref was on for Real to win.

 

[In_The_Rough]

An accident.:mmm: Think I will have to look up the definition of accident. Didn't realise it meant hammering the ball into someones head on purpose.

I wonder what promises the ref was on for Real to win.

Agreed the Swansea incident was more worthy of a Red than last nights. Didn't think the ref was biased at all, it's more likely that Manure are used to getting all the decisions and when they don't they all spit their dummy's out and Ferdinand what a tool he is hope they throw the book at him. Thinks he's better than he is always been average.

 

[bladeplayer]

. He obviously interpeted it as dangerous, which then falls into the serious foul play rule..

True ... And his is the only opinion that realy counts .. we must accept "most" refs have no intrest in the outcome of the games so as you correctly say its how they see a challenge & interpet it in a split second a full speed , without the use of 10 camera angles & slow mo etc ..

 

[Golfmmad]

That was never a red card. Nani was trying to control the ball, not injure a player. You see that type of control attempt week in week out in any league, not just the Premiership or Champions League.

Nobody has mentioned what a fantastic game RM keeper had, kept them in the game, especially in the 2nd half. United were definitely the better team in the 2nd half.

I really can't understand all this hatred for Manchester United. THE most successful team ever, with by far the best Manager in Alex Ferguson, certainly in the UK. Which I suppose is where all the hatred comes from, because of jealousy.

I've also seen over the years plenty of decisions go against United, and does anybody think that referees give extra minutes to Manchester United? Any referee that did that would be axed pretty quickly - they are monitored in every game, or do people forget that!

 

[Fish]

It doesn't matter what he "was trying to do", its the outcome that matters and if this had been on a red shirt there would be cries of OFF, OFF, OFF all around the stadium and old Red Nose would have just been as quick down his stairs as he was last night.

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[Golfmmad]

It doesn't matter what he "was trying to do", its the outcome that matters and if this had been on a red shirt there would be cries of OFF, OFF, OFF all around the stadium and old Red Nose would have just been as quick down his stairs as he was last night.

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I'm sure that would have been the case too, but it still would not have made it right.

Sorry, not a red card.

 

[Dodger]

Anyone else get the feeling that it's a done deal that the Special One being at Old Trafford very shortly is a done deal?

His reactions after the game and during it for that matter are not like him.

If that had been while he was at Chelsea he would have been gloating all the way........last night it was like he was trying to get the Man U fans onside.

 

[Jay Gee]

I agree with Roy Keane, I don't think the ref was wrong for showing a red as intent has nothing to do with. Yes it was a bit harsh but not unfair.

Ref didn't have the best game though especially when Ramos got away with clothes-lining Rafael (I think). That move was straight out of WWE

 

[Blue in Munich]

It doesn't matter what he "was trying to do", its the outcome that matters and if this had been on a red shirt there would be cries of OFF, OFF, OFF all around the stadium and old Red Nose would have just been as quick down his stairs as he was last night.

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Spot on. The acid test for me is what would Fergie have done, and as someone else has said he would have been down the steps just as quick demanding the player responsible was sent off. Considering what he claimed after van Persie was hit with a ball, I don't know how he has the gall to defend that. Nice to see United supporting the respect campaign by not surrounding the ref and not sarcastically applauding him at the end, but I suppose the press will gloss over that or make their usual excuses for them.

 

[AmandaJR]

Anyone else get the feeling that it's a done deal that the Special One being at Old Trafford very shortly is a done deal?

His reactions after the game and during it for that matter are not like him.

If that had been while he was at Chelsea he would have been gloating all the way........last night it was like he was trying to get the Man U fans onside.

100% - made me want to puke he was so sickenly humble and "fair".

 

[Paul_Stewart]

ref just ruined a very evenly matched good game for 200 million people!
Had enough now.
Poor show.

So if the Open comes down to Rory v Tiger, both level with three holes to play and one of them hits it out of bounds on the 16th hole, that means it shouldn't count because the Rules have cost a very evenly matched good game for so many people?

The referee has applied the rules from his one unrepeatable on replay view of the incident.

 

[MadAdey]

That was never a red card. Nani was trying to control the ball, not injure a player. You see that type of control attempt week in week out in any league, not just the Premiership or Champions League.

It may not have looked like a red card after you saw it for the tenth time from every angle possible. Ref saw it once and had to react to that. How do you know what Nani was trying to do? Have you developed the ability to read peoples minds through TV?

The biggest problem is football pundits and commentators that make up their own rules for the game. They start talking about things like intent, I did not see that in the rules of football anywhere, as you can't ask a referee to make a call on what a player was thinking.

I posted the laws on sending off earlier in the thread and that was taken straight from the FIFA website and no where did it talk about intent. I have got a copy of part of the interpretation of serious foul play here:

Serious foul play

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the
front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is
restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick)

So ask your self 2 questions:

Did he go for the ball in a way that was endangering the safety of an opponent?
If he did do that, then, did the referee apply the law correctly?

Yes it was harsh, but the referee had one chance to see it and had to make a decision on that. He obviously saw it as serious foul play.

 

[Golfmmad]

It may not have looked like a red card after you saw it for the tenth time from every angle possible. Ref saw it once and had to react to that. How do you know what Nani was trying to do? Have you developed the ability to read peoples minds through TV?




Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball.............

First of all I did not see it from all angles or 10 times. What I did see though, was that the other player ran in to Nani just as he was attempting to control the ball. That's the big difference for me.

 

[Fish]

What I did see though, was that the other player ran in to Nani just as he was attempting to control the ball. That's the big difference for me.

No he didn't, the other player actually chests the ball forward before Nan is anywhere near the ball which is why Nani's boots goes into the side rib cage and the ball goes behind Nani as the other player got there first!

You've seen what you want to see!.