Murray Vs Djokovic

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MegaSteve said:
Think you are doing Rafa an injustice... He's only a little older than Andy/Novak yet he has won all of the 'majors' at least once [Wimbledon twice] and has an Olympic gold too boot...
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Very true but it is true to say he has been caught and over taken by Andy and Novak, I would be surprised to see Murray getting 12 slam wins but he and Novak are the gigs in town now, Federer ain't getting any younger and Rafas will never be as good with his knee injuries so I fancy Andy and Novak will contend the slams for the foreseeable future and I do think Murray will win Wimbledon again and probably win an Aussie open too, unsure about the French.
 
MegaSteve said:
Think you are doing Rafa an injustice... He's only a little older than Andy/Novak yet he has won all of the 'majors' at least once [Wimbledon twice] and has an Olympic gold too boot...
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Possibly I am.....but i would wager that he won't win another slam outside of Roland Garros and Murray will end up with more non french open slams than him
 
Valentino said:
Very true but it is true to say he has been caught and over taken by Andy and Novak, I would be surprised to see Murray getting 12 slam wins but he and Novak are the gigs in town now, Federer ain't getting any younger and Rafas will never be as good with his knee injuries so I fancy Andy and Novak will contend the slams for the foreseeable future and I do think Murray will win Wimbledon again and probably win an Aussie open too, unsure about the French.
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French will be interesting as/if Nadal falls away.

Unless another superstar clay court specialist turns up it's wide open.
 
It's been a top sporting weekend for the English!! Murray at Wimbledon and the x10 welsh fellas in the lions team have done so well I believe it's time to bestow upon them honorary English citizenship :D

I look forward to the ashes, and another England victory, this time provided by South Africa :o

* the general gist of this may have been lifted from twitter:thup:
 
Ethan said:
Slight hyperbole there. Nadal has 12 Grand Slams. Djokovic has 6.

Murray played exceptionally well today and deserves his win 100%. He may go on to beat Djokovic or Nadal's haul, but he isn't there yet.
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Absolute agree!

Classic British reaction to an excellent performance - think he/she/the team is the best in the world! And when they get beaten by one of their competitors - as they will - they get written off as 1 shot wonders!!

Murray will apparently stay at #2 in World Rankings after this and unless he wins the US Open - again - the gap between him and Djokovic will increase!! He hasn't ever been World #1 for heaven's sake!

I do suspect the old guard is changing - with Federer in decline and Nadal's injuries causing problems. Though there are also a number of other folk challenging too - Tsonga and Janowicz being obvious examples.

But, good as he is, Murray still needs to win a few more Majors before even being considered 'as good as Djokovic, Nadal and almost every other player who has ever played the game'. I bet Neddy hasn't even heard of Bill Tilden who was pretty dominant. Pete Sampras was rather good (and dominant) and there was a rather frail looking magician as a spectator too - Rod Laver!

Murray also needs to spend a bit of time at #1 too. Federer was there for over 300 weeks, Djokovicz 90 and there's quite a few in the 200s - compared to Murray's aero! In fact, Murry still hasn't got the record of his coach - 270 weeks at #1 and 8 Grand Slams (though no Wimbledon).

So a great win, but a little realism please!
 
JustOne said:
Can't see how that doesn't make him world No1 with the US Open and the Olympic Gold already in the bag :confused:
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World Tennis Rankings are on a rolling 1 year cycle

Djokovic Won Aus - against Murray and got to Semi of French - which Murray didn't play, so loses his 2012 QF points.

Both went 1 round better at Wimbledon in 2013 than 2012. Murray will get more extra points (320 I think) than Djok, but they won't be enough to leap-frog to #1 as Djok is over 3000 points ahead. And unless he wins US again, he'll drop the Win points from the win in 2012!
 
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Stuart_C said:
I think Murray is much better player than he gets credit for and.shouldn't be underestimated for tomorrow's match.

Djokovic is a great player too but I don't believe theres that much between them. I think its all about who holds there nerve and
concentration.

I'm a gambling man but I'm keeping my powder dry on this game and looking forward to watching the match.
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Well done Andy Murray, well deserved and he shown great character, resilliance and ability to beat a top player in Djokovic in 3 sets

I've read a few posts in this thread and I'm not getting into the Scottish/British argument as I don't care tbh but it was a great performance and result.

Ps its good to see thecraw posting again, even if its only to wind the English up!!
 
Iaing said:
Thank you!

It is still 77 years since an Englishman won at Wimbledon.

Better? ;)
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I do wish people would get their facts correct when they're trying to wind people up.
Jonathan Marray won the Wimbledon men's doubles in 2012. He was born in Liverpool. English enough for you?
Jeremy Bates won the Wimbledon mixed doubles title in 1987. He's from Solihull. English enough for you?
John Lloyd won the Wimbledon mixwd doubles in 1983 & 1984. He was born in Essex. English enough for you?

Slime.
 
Foxholer said:
Absolute agree!

Classic British reaction to an excellent performance - think he/she/the team is the best in the world! And when they get beaten by one of their competitors - as they will - they get written off as 1 shot wonders!!

Murray will apparently stay at #2 in World Rankings after this and unless he wins the US Open - again - the gap between him and Djokovic will increase!! He hasn't ever been World #1 for heaven's sake!

I do suspect the old guard is changing - with Federer in decline and Nadal's injuries causing problems. Though there are also a number of other folk challenging too - Tsonga and Janowicz being obvious examples.

But, good as he is, Murray still needs to win a few more Majors before even being considered 'as good as Djokovic, Nadal and almost every other player who has ever played the game'. I bet Neddy hasn't even heard of Bill Tilden who was pretty dominant. Pete Sampras was rather good (and dominant) and there was a rather frail looking magician as a spectator too - Rod Laver!

Murray also needs to spend a bit of time at #1 too. Federer was there for over 300 weeks, Djokovicz 90 and there's quite a few in the 200s - compared to Murray's aero! In fact, Murry still hasn't got the record of his coach - 270 weeks at #1 and 8 Grand Slams (though no Wimbledon).

So a great win, but a little realism please!
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Perhaps i was slightly over excited.....but i regularly see ex players say that the game now is at a higher level than ever before (admittedly comparing eras is always tough), and that Roger/Rafa/Novak are 3 of the best players to ever play tennis.

Andy is mixing it with them and lately, beating them.

OK, he may not be there yet, but i think when he retires he will have 5 or more slams and history will look back on him as one of the greats.
 
Foxholer said:
Absolute agree!

Classic British reaction to an excellent performance - think he/she/the team is the best in the world! And when they get beaten by one of their competitors - as they will - they get written off as 1 shot wonders!!

Murray will apparently stay at #2 in World Rankings after this and unless he wins the US Open - again - the gap between him and Djokovic will increase!! He hasn't ever been World #1 for heaven's sake!

I do suspect the old guard is changing - with Federer in decline and Nadal's injuries causing problems. Though there are also a number of other folk challenging too - Tsonga and Janowicz being obvious examples.

But, good as he is, Murray still needs to win a few more Majors before even being considered 'as good as Djokovic, Nadal and almost every other player who has ever played the game'. I bet Neddy hasn't even heard of Bill Tilden who was pretty dominant. Pete Sampras was rather good (and dominant) and there was a rather frail looking magician as a spectator too - Rod Laver!

Murray also needs to spend a bit of time at #1 too. Federer was there for over 300 weeks, Djokovicz 90 and there's quite a few in the 200s - compared to Murray's aero! In fact, Murry still hasn't got the record of his coach - 270 weeks at #1 and 8 Grand Slams (though no Wimbledon).

So a great win, but a little realism please!
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Tilden, a bit before my time... But of those I've seen only Sampras and Federer have come close to Laver...
 
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