Mixed competitions

[Rlburnside]

We are having a society competition on Saturday and we have one Lady joining us.

I think I read that you give extra shots on the Lady's h/c but I am unsure,as I would like to allocate h/cs fair I would be grateful for some advice on this matter.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Extra shots are required to be given but it all depends on the format being played and also the relative pars of the course and SSS

If it’s medal then you need to look at the difference in the SSS for each tee - if there whites is 70 and Ladies is 72 for example then the lady get 2 extra shots

If it’s Stableford then need to look at the par

If of the whites it’s 71 and red it’s 72 then they get one extra shot

 

[rulefan]

We are having a society competition on Saturday and we have one Lady joining us.

I think I read that you give extra shots on the Lady's h/c but I am unsure,as I would like to allocate h/cs fair I would be grateful for some advice on this matter.

It's too long to copy here but the full details are in appendix O of the CONGU manual which can be downloaded from http://www.congu.co.uk/

or here with a calculator https://www.englandgolf.org/page.aspx?sitesectionid=136&sitesectiontitle=Mixed+Golf

 

[Rlburnside]

Thanks Phil

Its a stableford competition par 73 for the ladies of the reds so if I allowcate one extra shot on her h/c would that be correct?

 

[rulefan]

From Appendix O - you need to read the whole appendix

In Stableford competitions it is the relationship between the Par and Standard ScratchScore and not only the SSS that determines player scoring and the score that represents’Playing to handicap‘. When players play from different tees (e.g. Ladies’ / Men’s) the Par/ SSS relationship may well be different for each set of tees. For example:for Course A with Ladies’ tees of Par 72 and SSS 72 and Men’s tees of Par 70 and SSS70, the Par and SSS have the same relationship (Difference Par – SSS = 0); for CourseB with Ladies’ tees Par 70 and SSS 70 (Par – SSS = 0) and Men’s tees Par 72 and SSS70 (Par – SSS = 2) the relationship between Par and SSS is different.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thanks Phil

Its a stableford competition par 73 for the ladies of the reds so if I allowcate one extra shot on her h/c would that be correct?

If the men’s par is 72 then yes that would be how they do it in qualifying comps

 

[Rlburnside]

It's too long to copy here but the full details are in appendix O of the CONGU manual which can be downloaded from http://www.congu.co.uk/

or here with a calculator https://www.englandgolf.org/page.aspx?sitesectionid=136&sitesectiontitle=Mixed+Golf

Thanks

I did have a look at Congo but thought I would ask on here for a more simple explanation.

 

[Rlburnside]

If the men’s par is 72 then yes that would be how they do it in qualifying comps

The men's par is 71

 

[rulefan]

Thanks

I did have a look at Congo but thought I would ask on here for a more simple explanation.

It isn't necessarily simple for stableford. It depends on the relationship between par and SSS for the different tees involved.

Try the England Golf calculator

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The men's par is 71

And the SSS is ? What ever the difference is between the two that’s how many shots she gets - missed out a bit in my initial post

 

[Rlburnside]

And the SSS is ? What ever the difference is between the two that’s how many shots she gets - missed out a bit in my initial post

Mens par 71 SSS 72 Ladies Par 73 SSS 71

 

[Wilson]

Mens par 71 SSS 72 Ladies Par 73 SSS 71

Which if I've used the correct calculator, means the men get 3 extra shots? Or do you deduct 3 from the ladies?

Apologies for jumping in, but keen to understand this one.

 

[jim8flog]

The simple way to look at it is -

How many points does a man get if he plays to handicap and how many points does a lady get if they play to their handicap. The number of shots a lady gets is the difference between the two.

One of the misconceptions often heard is that scoring 36 points is playing to handicap.

 

[rulefan]

Which if I've used the correct calculator, means the men get 3 extra shots? Or do you deduct 3 from the ladies?

Add them to the men's handicaps.

"The difference between the two (if any) is added to the player’s handicap who wouldhave the lower score when playing to their handicap".

The man would score 35 points to play to his handicap, the woman 38.

 

[duncan mackie]

I think with only 1 lady in the event I would simply reduce her handicap by 3 - not least because I would only have to discuss it with one person!

 

[Wilson]

I think with only 1 lady in the event I would simply reduce her handicap by 3 - not least because I would only have to discuss it with one person!

Very sensible!

 

[rulefan]

I think with only 1 lady in the event I would simply reduce her handicap by 3 - not least because I would only have to discuss it with one person!

It's easier to argue with 50 men than one lady golfer!
Apart from which, I don't think the wording allows a choice. The rule is genderless.

 

[Rlburnside]

I think with only 1 lady in the event I would simply reduce her handicap by 3 - not least because I would only have to discuss it with one person!

Now this I don't understand I thought we were discussing giving the lady extra shots not reducing her h/c.

 

[Colin L]

Now this I don't understand I thought we were discussing giving the lady extra shots not reducing her h/c.

The question is really whether the men or the women need to be given extra shots to equalise them when playing in the same competition . It entirely depends on the SSS and Par of the men's and the women's courses and can result in an allowance to the men, an allowance to the women or no allowance to either. In the OP's case, the men receive additional strokes. Duncan was only suggesting a practical way of applying that when there was only one woman competing - possibly a tad mischievously.

 

[Rlburnside]

The question is really whether the men or the women need to be given extra shots to equalise them when playing in the same competition . It entirely depends on the SSS and Par of the men's and the women's courses and can result in an allowance to the men, an allowance to the women or no allowance to either. In the OP's case, the men receive additional strokes. Duncan was only suggesting a practical way of applying that when there was only one woman competing - possibly a tad mischievously.

Ok Thanks

I think the simplest way I will do it is to give the lady 1 extra shot on her h/c.