Manifesto Statements; Election Promises; Electioneering Guff - Believe it or Not

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

rUK ?!?

Hasnt that saying been confined to the archives - no such place -there is UK and each seperate country

Most - if not all - of what the SNP talk about is to do with Scotland and nothing to do with the rUK (Trident perhaps excepted). So I think when talking about the SNP and it's policies it is appropriate to refer to the rest of the UK.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

rUK ?!?

Hasnt that saying been confined to the archives - no such place -there is UK and each seperate country

I thought you told us on an earlier thread that the UK was a country.
A country within a country is not possible, is it?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I thought you told us on an earlier thread that the UK was a country.
A country within a country is not possible, is it?

And we're hearing more and more about FFA for Scotland - so more abbreviations nowt to do with the rUK

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Most - if not all - of what the SNP talk about is to do with Scotland and nothing to do with the rUK (Trident perhaps excepted). So I think when talking about the SNP and it's policies it is appropriate to refer to the rest of the UK.

There is no such place as "rUK"

It's a term that the pro independence SNP supporters made up to suggest what the UK would be called after a yes vote - it was a no vote and the SNP will not control UK politics and will not dictate what happens with trident - that will be down to the party in power after the GE

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I thought you told us on an earlier thread that the UK was a country.
A country within a country is not possible, is it?

Eh ?!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There is no such place as "rUK"

It's a term that the pro independence SNP supporters made up to suggest what the UK would be called after a yes vote - it was a no vote and the SNP will not control UK politics and will not dictate what happens with trident - that will be down to the party in power after the GE

Get real......it was a lazy term used to prevent us saying The Principality of Wales, the Region of Northern Ireland and England [inc The Channel Islands] every time we posted about rUk :lol:

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I find this whole Tory 'touchy feely' thing quite disconcerting.
Totally against their core values....a bit like the Greens coming out to say that, actually Trident is pretty cool.

Warning to English and Welsh Tory, Labour and Lib/Dem voters......remember 'The Vow'.

I doubt very much that you have any real idea of the "core values" of the Conservative Party.

You may have preconceptions and prejudices but, I suspect, no actual knowledge.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There is no such place as "rUK"

It's a term that the pro independence SNP supporters made up to suggest what the UK would be called after a yes vote - it was a no vote and the SNP will not control UK politics and will not dictate what happens with trident - that will be down to the party in power after the GE

It exists as a 'made-up' shorthand (by pro YES supporters - not just SNP supporters btw) for the rest if the UK when considering matters solely or principally Scottish - you can't unexist something - especially if it still has relevance albeit in a different context.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I doubt very much that you have any real idea of the "core values" of the Conservative Party.

You may have preconceptions and prejudices but, I suspect, no actual knowledge.

Oh..... you would be surprised with that one as I was brought up within a Tory family.
I then watched Margaret Thatcher try to destroy Scotland.

 

[Ethan]

I'll make a starter for ten - 10th April - we hear of the 3 days paid volunteering the Tories have said 15million employees should get a year. Just like that - and legislated for - not just discretionary for the employer.

So many holes; so many cost impacts for the employer. and so many impracticalities and logistical problems for the employer and charities, But at a cursory glance it sounded a great idea - 3 more days off work and paid to volunteer and help as I wish? What's not to liok?

And so I'll offer three days of my time to my church or my golf club (no mention of my volunteering having to go to a charity) - and it doesn't cost them or me a penny. Doesn't sound like volunteering to me as volunteering tends to involve some sacrifice on my part. But what the heck. Great idea. That's does it for me. Vote Tory.

Though just in case it doesn't make it past the bosses I shan't hold my breath waiting for it to materialise - you never know.

Gesture politics to show that the Tories are not just heartless corporate monsters and they really care. But we know they don't. They know this is unimplementable. But that is fine. It was the headline they were after and they have got that.

 

[Crazyface]

THE bottom line is this,

The Tories are for THE RICH. everything they do is for THE RICH. they will NEVER EVER do anything to upset THE RICH.

Labour? Clueless bunch of idiots. They sort of say the right things but will eventually mess thing up and leave the country with a huge debt.

Everyone else don't matter (at the moment)

 

[SocketRocket]

Gesture politics to show that the Tories are not just heartless corporate monsters and they really care. But we know they don't. They know this is unimplementable. But that is fine. It was the headline they were after and they have got that.

So I take it you wont be voting Tory or UKIP then. Is there any party that are nice enough people for you, Greens maybe?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Gesture politics to show that the Tories are not just heartless corporate monsters and they really care. But we know they don't. They know this is unimplementable. But that is fine. It was the headline they were after and they have got that.

You may think it and may even be convinced but you certainly don't know it. I never cease to be amazed, in political debates, by the number of educated people who claim their beliefs to be facts.

I have had close family members actively involved in each of the two major parties and have never witnessed the stereotypical attitudes attributed to either.

In my experience most involved in politics do so out of a sense of duty and a wish to improve their own community and ultimately the nation, although we may not agree with their party's methods of achieving that.

The idea that Conservatives are only interested in the interests of the wealthy and Labour look after the unions has long been outdated and was certainly killed off in 1997.

 

[Ethan]

In my experience most involved in politics do so out of a sense of duty and a wish to improve their own community and ultimately the nation, although we may not agree with their party's methods of achieving that.

The idea that Conservatives are only interested in the interests of the wealthy and Labour look after the unions has long been outdated and was certainly killed off in 1997.

Involved out of a sense of duty/improve the community/the nation? You must be joking.

Look at the ministers and shadow ministers (of all the 3 hitherto major parties) and apart from the odd token this or that you will see the private school/PPE/political adviser to PPC route, followed by the bail out into big money directorships. This is a career for these guys.

I certainly agree that the idea that Labour looks after the unions is outdated, and more's the pity, but I think they just joined the Tories in their continued pandering to the wealthy, although at election time Labour have a little temporary faux-correction back to the centre.

Oh, and I know a number of politicians including past MPs, from whom you hear some interesting stories, and have dealt with a number more, from both The Commons and The Lords, as part of work.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Next one from the Tories - Inheritance Tax up to £1m per person.

So who are these poor family souls who are going to lose out so much when their folks crock it. Something like £650,000 a couple at the moment before tax kicks in. Osbourne says the proposal "supports the basic human instinct to provide for your children" How much do these children need or expect to inherit? £650,000 not enough?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Next one from the Tories - Inheritance Tax up to £1m per person.

So who are these poor family souls who are going to lose out so much when their folks crock it. Something like £650,000 a couple at the moment before tax kicks in. Osbourne says the proposal "supports the basic human instinct to provide for your children" How much do these children need or expect to inherit? £650,000 not enough?

Living in Surrey I would have thought that you would appreciate that much of that £1 million would be eaten up by a relatively average family home.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Living in Surrey I would have thought that you would appreciate that much of that £1 million would be eaten up by a relatively average family home.

Goodness does that mean that half of the Surrey folk are millionaires.

I lived there for 10 years, perhaps it was a mistake to move.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Living in Surrey I would have thought that you would appreciate that much of that £1 million would be eaten up by a relatively average family home.

Two kids? £325,000 makes for a pretty good deposit on a house even in Surrey The kids can work and have a mortgage like the rest of us if they need one.

And that's with the residue after tax of the rest of the estate.

How's about doing something about elderly care costs so that the folks who worked scrimped and saved all their lives for their <£500,000 house don't have to sell it and move out to pay for care.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Two kids? £325,000 makes for a pretty good deposit on a house even in Surrey The kids can work and have a mortgage like the rest of us if they need one.

And that's with the residue after tax of the rest of the estate.

How's about doing something about elderly care costs so that the folks who worked scrimped and saved all their lives for their <£500,000 house don't have to sell it and move out to pay for care.

The point is that, whereas in the past people who owned houses valued at say £750,000 to £1 million would have been considered extremely wealthy it is no longer the case.

Due to the hyper inflation in house prices in London and the South East many who, in other parts of the country, would be considered "middling" are now dragged into this extremely wealthy category.

As, from previous threads, I understand that you personally are resident in just such an area I would have thought you would see the unfairness of this "regional" taxation. Particularly as so many apparently only live in such areas because of the demands of work.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Back to the OP, as a school governor I like this. Latest advice is that governors should spend between 10 and 20 days a year on governor duties. Also there's lots of pressure on governing boards to be skills based.

So any measure to help people with the necessary skills to be a school governor is OK with me.