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I still think the 2 big tours will come to some agreement.
I would like to see a situation where the majors and big events still exist but then during the rest of the year there is a team match play competition.
It has worked in cricket with the introduction of 20/20 cricket and the likes of the Big Bash and Indian premier league. I think it would be a great move for Golf in general to do something similar.
 
For me LIV need to stop signing players, giving players contracts isn’t creating the competition they need to develop as a tour.

Better for them to create their own Q-School/pathway to their tour from places like the Asian tours etc. that way better talent will come through, players will be competing to earn a place to play on the tour and not seeing it merely as a contractual obligation. This in turn would develop to overall competitiveness in events and perhaps desire to play for the big purses.

They can still bring in the team format but based on qualifying rather than picking like school playgrounds trying to get the best players and hope for the best. The tour has a future it just needs to tweak a little and make it about the golf and competition not about the players, contracts and outside influence of YouTube etc.
 
There was always going to be a significant player/players leaving Liv at some point.
However I do think a player like Brooks leaving BEFORE his contract ended is a far worse look than going at the end of his contract.
To do that he would have taken a large financial hit for not completing his contract but I dont think he cares about stuff like that.

Now its time to grab the popcorn and see what both the PGA Tour and Liv do next.

Im sure the PGA Tour would love to bring him straight back into the fold, for them to have one of Liv's marquee signings back playing PGA Tour events again in 2026 is a statement for them.
However that will upset a large amount of their stars who have repeatably said there has to be some consequence before being allowed back.

From Liv's side its a bloody nose for sure.
Like I said if he had played out his contract for one more year and then gone it would have been more normal.

With the PIFs backing they could (if they wished to) get the cheque book out again at anytime but if you want to do that who's nose do you wave it under and will that player still come ?
International players seem more willing to make the switch than U.S players.

The one person who now holds all the cards is Bryson Dechambeau.
He is currently re negotiating his contract that also ends at the end of 2026 and quite frankly Liv cant afford to lose him now.

This off season before Liv starts in Feb just got a whole lot more interesting...
 
There was always going to be a point where some of the players they got to try and build the league would be moving on - but they prob expected it to be the likes of Poulter , McDowell , Westwood , Na etc - players in the later stages of their career and then they would replace those players with up and coming bright talents whilst keeping hold of the big guns


A few issues with that is

Because of the way the league is the likes of Westwood etc will just keep hanging on

Those up and young players don’t seem to be bursting through and many including some highly rated ones are not performing in majors

They have lost a big gun and they can’t replace him with another big gun - they have made huge losses and have stopped the big money


BDC is a big name in the sport - but you can’t have a league based just on him and I don’t see the likes of Rahm , Hatton etc carrying on after their contract
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Very random post - is it in response to anything in particular in regards Koepka leaving LIV ?
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There is nothing positive to say.

The argument about changing jobs for more money doesn’t really work when we are talking about people who already have more money than they need to never work again.

It’s slightly different to the situation normal people are in.
 
WorldHandicapSystem said:
There is nothing positive to say.

The argument about changing jobs for more money doesn’t really work when we are talking about people who already have more money than they need to never work again.

It’s slightly different to the situation normal people are in.
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Sports men and women also move for money

It’s the same with the footballers going up Saudi and years back when they went to China

But as we saw in China when the money dries up from the only source of income there isn’t anything else
 
Fore Right said:
There was always going to be a significant player/players leaving Liv at some point.
However I do think a player like Brooks leaving BEFORE his contract ended is a far worse look than going at the end of his contract.
To do that he would have taken a large financial hit for not completing his contract but I dont think he cares about stuff like that.

Now its time to grab the popcorn and see what both the PGA Tour and Liv do next.

Im sure the PGA Tour would love to bring him straight back into the fold, for them to have one of Liv's marquee signings back playing PGA Tour events again in 2026 is a statement for them.
However that will upset a large amount of their stars who have repeatably said there has to be some consequence before being allowed back.

From Liv's side its a bloody nose for sure.
Like I said if he had played out his contract for one more year and then gone it would have been more normal.

With the PIFs backing they could (if they wished to) get the cheque book out again at anytime but if you want to do that who's nose do you wave it under and will that player still come ?
International players seem more willing to make the switch than U.S players.

The one person who now holds all the cards is Bryson Dechambeau.
He is currently re negotiating his contract that also ends at the end of 2026 and quite frankly Liv cant afford to lose him now.

This off season before Liv starts in Feb just got a whole lot more interesting...
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I think that's a fair summary and fairly balanced on the take for both sides.

There isn't too much of a positive spin you can put on one of your top names telling you the offer to play on their tour isn't attractive, despite the huge guaranteed $ on offer to them for doing so.

It's a slight oversimplification but in terms of golfing profile with the general public, and thanks to Cam Smith and DJ seeming (maybe temporarily in CS's case?) to have fallen away to irrelevance, LIV is now maybe 3 golfers away from itself becoming an irrelevance; a tour for the semi-retired and 2nd string. If you weight for both talent and public profile, Bryson is another level, Rahm is the very top tier talent-wise (as the Ryder Cup again showed) and Hatton is not that far behind, albeit maybe a divisive character in terms of profile. You could see Niemann joining that 1st level group if he could kick on to be seriously competitive in a major or two too.

It does mean that those 4, and Bryson in particular, hold an awful lot of power - and the PIF now have a clear warning that once players have all the money they could ever need thanks to a couple of years on LIV, just throwing more money at them alone doesn't look so enticing. Can they offer something else?

The other thing it does is expose the "team equity" as that "something else" or any sort of retentive factor myth. The "equity" in your team is worth less than $0 - it's all propped up by PIF and has no independent value at all. Players know this and don't give two hoots about it.

Of course PIF have ample pockets to respond and may feel compelled to do so. Pulling one of the top tier names from the PGAT would very much change tha narrative. Depends how they see the forward vision and strategy though; are we still in the era of Rahm-like mega$$$ signings? The mood music was different, but then OTOH they suddenly have some cash freed up ... and they' weren't even short of that to start with. Maybe those "no" answers from Korea may change as more $ hits the negotiating table?
 
irip said:
I’m not sure why but have always liked Brooks.
Hope to see him competing on whichever tour suits him and his family if any.

For a short period the best player in the world for my money
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Koepka was always very much up front about why he went to LIV and didn’t hide behind anything

If he knew his knee was going to be ok then I don’t think he would have left

Will be interesting to see how he gets on this year - think he can play on the PGAT from August

Bet they would be thinking of allowing him back earlier
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Koepka was always very much up front about why he went to LIV and didn’t hide behind anything

If he knew his knee was going to be ok then I don’t think he would have left

Will be interesting to see how he gets on this year - think he can play on the PGAT from August

Bet they would be thinking of allowing him back earlier
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He would be a great addition to any tour.
I wonder if he is thinking of having some time off, spend it with family, try and get any injuries sorted and come back at it full tilt.
 
irip said:
He would be a great addition to any tour.
I wonder if he is thinking of having some time off, spend it with family, try and get any injuries sorted and come back at it full tilt.
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It looks like it’s down to wanting to be close to his family all year after a sad loss during the year

He does highlight the issue with wanting to have a worldwide tour - a lot of the golfers at the top level have families and young children so it’s going to be hard to get them playing all over the world - there aren’t many sports where it’s working for those with families
 
Arthur Wedge said:
It looks like it’s down to wanting to be close to his family all year after a sad loss during the year

He does highlight the issue with wanting to have a worldwide tour - a lot of the golfers at the top level have families and young children so it’s going to be hard to get them playing all over the world - there aren’t many sports where it’s working for those with families
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I think it depends on the family set up.
For those with wives or girlfriends it’s a chance to explore the world.
For those with children you need a base and have to work your golf around that to a degree.
Very hard to get the correct balance especially for those at the lower end of the tour whose season is based around trying to keep a card as opposed to winning majors.
It’s a very small percentage of pro golfers who make a lot of money out of the sport.
 
This is actually a massive decision for the PGA Tour with Brooks.

What ever they decide to do with fines or suspensions before he comes back to the PGA Tour is going to set the precedent for everyone else who takes the same path in the future.
 
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