Life means Life - again

[SocketRocket]

you kind of miss the point slightly, but I understand the punishment must fit the crime.

in this case, if you implemented the death penalty, you make them martyrs. That is what they wanted, to be shot by armed police and be a martyr to islam. If you lock them up for life, and treat them like any other full life criminal ultimately what they did was pointless & futile.

Thats a view I hadn't considered. Very good point!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you would have refused to carry out the order?

You said "It's still killing life and there is never a justification for it' That's the relevance.

Yes I would have refused the order because I know it would be an illegal order that doesn't follow any rules of engagement

 

[JCW]

you kind of miss the point slightly, but I understand the punishment must fit the crime.

in this case, if you implemented the death penalty, you make them martyrs. That is what they wanted, to be shot by armed police and be a martyr to islam. If you lock them up for life, and treat them like any other full life criminal ultimately what they did was pointless & futile.

I see your point but then why don't they just don't report the crime , , everything done in private so they don't get any TV coverage , Radio or newspapers which is what these people do it for , a news blackout and at the end just say they have been jailed for life ..........................the news people have a lot to answer for by covering cases like this to the max and give this people what they want so others follow them into martyrdom by doing the same ................give them nowt I say and not feed them to busting point like we do

 

[JCW]

Yes I would have refused the order because I know it would be an illegal order that doesn't follow any rules of engagement

what if they guy had a gun and was in a position to take away your life , you worry about his human rights then or if the gun is loaded or real or you just shoot and worry about it later ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

what if they guy had a gun and was in a position to take away your life , you worry about his human rights then or if the gun is loaded or real or you just shoot and worry about it later ?

Again it's all down to rules of engagement

How do you know if the gun is loaded or real ?

It's a very hard judgement call for anyone to make

You have to ensure when criminal proceedings are started you can justify your actions

 

[JCW]

Again it's all down to rules of engagement

How do you know if the gun is loaded or real ?

It's a very hard judgement call for anyone to make

You have to ensure when criminal proceedings are started you can justify your actions

What rules , these people don't obey rules , they break them to suit , now if this guy pointed a gun at you are going to shoot 1st or worry about rules of engagement because soon it be over for you man , stop sitting on the fence , I am not having a dig , just pretty fed up with these law breakers and the soft nature of out courts , more worried about over crowded jails then giving a sentence to suit the crime

 

[Foxholer]

I see your point but then why don't they just don't report the crime , , everything done in private so they don't get any TV coverage , Radio or newspapers which is what these people do it for , a news blackout and at the end just say they have been jailed for life ..........................the news people have a lot to answer for by covering cases like this to the max and give this people what they want so others follow them into martyrdom by doing the same ................give them nowt I say and not feed them to busting point like we do

I don't believe that was what therod was suggesting at all!

And much as I detest the way some elements of the Press report, their freedom to report (National Security notwithstanding) is absolutely paramount to any 'free' society.

So as well as Death Squads to eliminate 'criminals' without due process and Suppression of the Press, what other totalitarian policies are you in favour of? Forced Euthenasia of the 'disabled' - or elderly? Selective sterilisation? Genetic manipulation - a form of which was tried in Singapore?

 

[JCW]

I don't believe that was what therod was suggesting at all!

And much as I detest the way some elements of the Press report, their freedom to report (National Security notwithstanding) is absolutely paramount to any 'free' society.

So as well as Death Squads to eliminate 'criminals' without due process and Suppression of the Press, what other totalitarian policies are you in favour of? Forced Euthenasia of the 'disabled' - or elderly? Selective sterilisation? Genetic manipulation - a form of which was tried in Singapore?

You really need to get a life mate , you post replies to get a reaction , at no time did I mention some of the stuff you mention in your last post , 7665 post to date and more to come I am sure . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What rules , these people don't obey rules , they break them to suit , now if this guy pointed a gun at you are going to shoot 1st or worry about rules of engagement because soon it be over for you man , stop sitting on the fence , I am not having a dig , just pretty fed up with these law breakers and the soft nature of out courts , more worried about over crowded jails then giving a sentence to suit the crime

Just because they don't follow rules doesn't mean we stop following them

I have had a gun pointed at me by an angry Serb and didn't shoot him - I made a judgement call and it was correct. I'm not sitting on any fence - I believe the laws we have are currently correct and happy to follow those laws. I don't believe in killing people because they killed someone - that IMO makes you just as bad - especially when you use phrases like "get rid" and "no use" anymore

I have followed the law for 41 years and been in war zones and it isn't over for me - it appears you are a blood thirsty person

Our courts have just sentenced these two people to 50 years in a maximum security jail with no parole - their life is finished.

They killed someone because they believed the solider was part of crimes against their religion and country and to pay for the deaths of their country men - you want to kill them because they killed one of ours - what is the difference between you and them ?

 

[JCW]

Just because they don't follow rules doesn't mean we stop following them

I have had a gun pointed at me by an angry Serb and didn't shoot him - I made a judgement call and it was correct. I'm not sitting on any fence - I believe the laws we have are currently correct and happy to follow those laws. I don't believe in killing people because they killed someone - that IMO makes you just as bad - especially when you use phrases like "get rid" and "no use" anymore

I have followed the law for 41 years and been in war zones and it isn't over for me - it appears you are a blood thirsty person

Our courts have just sentenced these two people to 50 years in a maximum security jail with no parole - their life is finished.

They killed someone because they believed the solider was part of crimes against their religion and country and to pay for the deaths of their country men - you want to kill them because they killed one of ours - what is the difference between you and them ?

You really think that's why they killed him , they were brainwashed just like the 911 plot in America , its nothing new , Japanese pilots done it in world war 2 and the gemans and Russians and the Vietcong have done it since with sleeper agents , now its these people using islam , the whole thing is very sad as its others with stronger minds using people with weaker minds to do their dirty work , and the media just feeds the whole thing ...........there you have it

 

[Slime]

Getting rid ? Just because they couldn't value human life doesn't mean we have an excuse to be blood thirsty and do exactly what they did

It's still killing life and there is never a justification for it

I'm talking about a hanging or a lethal injection. I never said we should run them down in a public place and then try and decapitate them!
Oh, and some life is not worth keeping.

So you want to get rid of more lives as a punishment for them getting rid of a life. That makes it as bad as what they did.

Carrying out a death sentence is not quite the same. Besides, they did it to an innocent man ............... they are cold blooded killers, subtle difference there.


Slime.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You really think that's why they killed him , they were brainwashed just like the 911 plot in America , its nothing new , Japanese pilots done it in world war 2 and the gemans and Russians and the Vietcong have done it since with sleeper agents , now its these people using islam , the whole thing is very sad as its others with stronger minds using people with weaker minds to do their dirty work , and the media just feeds the whole thing ...........there you have it

Ignored most of my post but I'm bit surprised.

You can twist it anyway you want - they killed the soldiers in revenge for soldiers killing people of islam

You want to kill them for killing the solider.

What's the next stage ? They kill more - then you want more killed

Hopefully you get the point

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm talking about a hanging or a lethal injection. I never said we should run them down in a public place and then try and decapitate them!
Oh, and some life is not worth keeping.



Carrying out a death sentence is not quite the same. Besides, they did it to an innocent man ............... they are cold blooded killers, subtle difference there.


Slime.

The solider wasn't innocent in their eyes.

The method of death doesn't make it any different - it's still the life ending

We at least try and live in a civilised world - that means not killing our fellow human beings

If someone breaks the law then they are punished - in this case they will serve 50 years in a maximum security prison doing manual labour with no parole - that is the human punishment - their life is over without having to drop to inhuman levels.

 

[Foxholer]

I'm talking about a hanging or a lethal injection. I never said we should run them down in a public place and then try and decapitate them!

Carrying out a death sentence is not quite the same.

This part I can agree with - though I am absolutely opposed to the Death Sentence.

Oh, and some life is not worth keeping.

That is an obscene statement!

 

[JCW]

I'm talking about a hanging or a lethal injection. I never said we should run them down in a public place and then try and decapitate them!
Oh, and some life is not worth keeping.



Carrying out a death sentence is not quite the same. Besides, they did it to an innocent man ............... they are cold blooded killers, subtle difference there.


Slime.

Just wasting your time mate , they only want to argue and will go to any lengths to twist stuff to suit them , true people of islam don't want to know these guys ...................moved on , leave them to their views

 

[JCW]

The solider wasn't innocent in their eyes.

The method of death doesn't make it any different - it's still the life ending

We at least try and live in a civilised world - that means not killing our fellow human beings

If someone breaks the law then they are punished - in this case they will serve 50 years in a maximum security prison doing manual labour with no parole - that is the human punishment - their life is over without having to drop to inhuman levels.

Why join the army then , you are train to kill that's what armies are for , to defend the country , don't tell tell me you joined the army to play golf , with your views what you doing in the army

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Just wasting your time mate , they only want to argue and will go to any lengths to twist stuff to suit them , true people of islam don't want to know these guys ...................moved on , leave them to their views

I haven't twisted anything - you it's clear to see avoid any hard hitting point posted to you that challenges your opinion

You have no issue with death squads dishing out punishments outside the law and it's clear to see why

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why join the army then , you are train to kill that's what armies are for , to defend the country , don't tell tell me you joined the army to play golf , with your views what you doing in the army

I didn't join the Army

And I wasn't trained to "kill" anyone

Seems you don't even know the basic concepts of our own military.

 

[JCW]

I didn't join the Army

And I wasn't trained to "kill" anyone

Seems you don't even know the basic concepts of our own military.

So what were you in the army then a spud peeler ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So what were you in the army then a spud peeler ?

I wasn't in the Army as I said in the first post.