Life means Life - again

[JCW]

I wasn't in the Army as I said in the first post.

I am sure you said you were in the army , must have got confused , sorry , easy do to when posting on here and facebook , anyway mate , best we agreed to disagreed , play golf someday , you are welcome to play Parkstone here in Dorset anytime , just give us a shout if you going to be in the area .......................EYG

 

[Slime]

The solider wasn't innocent in their eyes.

The method of death doesn't make it any different - it's still the life ending

We at least try and live in a civilised world - that means not killing our fellow human beings

If someone breaks the law then they are punished - in this case they will serve 50 years in a maximum security prison doing manual labour with no parole - that is the human punishment - their life is over without having to drop to inhuman levels.

Yes it does.
I do not & will not regard them as 'fellow human beings'.
One could argue that forcing someone to 50 years manual labour as a punishment is less humane than a quick, painless death!

This part I can agree with - though I am absolutely opposed to the Death Sentence.


That is an obscene statement!

I do not believe that their lives are worth keeping, so please, show me the light and explain to me why these people are worth hanging on to.


Slime.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes it does.
I do not & will not regard them as 'fellow human beings'.
One could argue that forcing someone to 50 years manual labour as a punishment is less humane than a quick, painless death!




I do not believe that their lives are worth keeping, so please, show me the light and explain to me why these people are worth hanging on to.


Slime.

They are fellow human beings - just because you don't regard them as such doesn't change that simple fact.

Its not up to us to judge how much a persons life is worth

 

[USER1999]

Since apparently, they both still want to die, and are facing rather long prison terms, should they not be offered euthanasia? it would be humane, as being locked up for life is pretty demeaning. It would be painless, cheap (dare I mention cost?), zero guilt for the jury, no worries about later mistakes (although in this case, they are guilty, it's on video), etc. Ok, so Muslims can't off themselves, but I'm sure there's a dodgy Mullah out there somewhere who could make this work. Make it sound a bit like martyrdom, 72 virgins and all that.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Again - not sure what that has to do with my post

I spent 22 years in the military so have witnessed my fair share of death

As for your views - I would suggest you read what you have said about the death penalty and the death squads.

I wasn't in the Army as I said in the first post.

No but in the military so please elaborate especially if you had a gun pointed at you in Serbia

 

[USER1999]

No but in the military so please elaborate especially if you had a gun pointed at you in Serbia

Has he ever said which side he was on?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No but in the military so please elaborate especially if you had a gun pointed at you in Serbia

What would you like to know Homer ? What exactly should I elaborate ?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Since apparently, they both still want to die, and are facing rather long prison terms, should they not be offered euthanasia? it would be humane, as being locked up for life is pretty demeaning. It would be painless, cheap (dare I mention cost?), zero guilt for the jury, no worries about later mistakes (although in this case, they are guilty, it's on video), etc. Ok, so Muslims can't off themselves, but I'm sure there's a dodgy Mullah out there somewhere who could make this work. Make it sound a bit like martyrdom, 72 virgins and all that.

I wouldn't even offer them a painless option. Law abiding citizen (film) now that is what they deserve.

 

[JCW]

No but in the military so please elaborate especially if you had a gun pointed at you in Serbia

Well I never saw that Homer , I was not going to say but as you have mate I await a reply , by the way if you are down my way and fancy a game at Parkstone just say , anytime you are welcome mate , I got £20 tickets to hand ......................EYG

 

[Slime]

They are fellow human beings - just because you don't regard them as such doesn't change that simple fact.

Its not up to us to judge how much a persons life is worth

Human beings I will accept, 'fellow' human beings I won't.
But it's up to us, as 'civilised' human beings, to decide on what to do with those that step out of line. It has been decided that they should go to prison for a very long time ..................... I happen to be one of those who would have prefered to see them executed, at the same time accepting that that is not currently an option.
I obviously value their lives less than you do.
One of the beauties of living where we do is that we can all air our opinions in an open forum such as this, it just happens that we disagree on this one, and I think we always will!


Slime.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well I never saw that Homer , I was not going to say but as you have mate I await a reply , by the way if you are down my way and fancy a game at Parkstone just say , anytime you are welcome mate , I got £20 tickets to hand ......................EYG

There is more to the military than just the Army :thup:

 

[JCW]

Since apparently, they both still want to die, and are facing rather long prison terms, should they not be offered euthanasia? it would be humane, as being locked up for life is pretty demeaning. It would be painless, cheap (dare I mention cost?), zero guilt for the jury, no worries about later mistakes (although in this case, they are guilty, it's on video), etc. Ok, so Muslims can't off themselves, but I'm sure there's a dodgy Mullah out there somewhere who could make this work. Make it sound a bit like martyrdom, 72 virgins and all that.

hahaha , you make me laugh lol

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Human beings I will accept, 'fellow' human beings I won't.
But it's up to us, as 'civilised' human beings, to decide on what to do with those that step out of line. It has been decided that they should go to prison for a very long time ..................... I happen to be one of those who would have prefered to see them executed, at the same time accepting that that is not currently an option.
I obviously value their lives less than you do.
One of the beauties of living where we do is that we can all air our opinions in an open forum such as this, it just happens that we disagree on this one, and I think we always will!


Slime.

How can you say civilised and then want them executed - wanting death upon someone isn't an act of a civilised human being.

I value all life equally - if people mistreat that value then they must rightly be punished and have their freedom removed.

 

[Foxholer]

I do not believe that their lives are worth keeping, so please, show me the light and explain to me why these people are worth hanging on to.


Slime.

They are fellow human beings - just because you don't regard them as such doesn't change that simple fact.

Its not up to us to judge how much a persons life is worth

Spot on!

 

[JCW]

Human beings I will accept, 'fellow' human beings I won't.
But it's up to us, as 'civilised' human beings, to decide on what to do with those that step out of line. It has been decided that they should go to prison for a very long time ..................... I happen to be one of those who would have prefered to see them executed, at the same time accepting that that is not currently an option.
I obviously value their lives less than you do.
One of the beauties of living where we do is that we can all air our opinions in an open forum such as this, it just happens that we disagree on this one, and I think we always will!


Slime.

Could not have put it better myself , to the point ......................EYG

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Again - not sure what that has to do with my post

I spent 22 years in the military so have witnessed my fair share of death

As for your views - I would suggest you read what you have said about the death penalty and the death squads.

I wasn't in the Army as I said in the first post.

There is more to the military than just the Army :thup:

Go on then. Your all for being consistent and honest

 

[JCW]

There is more to the military than just the Army :thup:

You have been caught out , just come clean , one more thing my parents taught me is don't tell fibs unless you have a superb mind as you have to remember what fib you told and who you told it too , so always tell the truth or try too , its easy because it comes naturally , I don't really care any more as one moment you in the army , next you are not , then you know what its like for a serb to point a gun at you and lastly you seen more dead bodies then an undertaker , I give up

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Go on then. Your all for being consistent and honest

What is it you would like to know ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You have been caught out , just come clean , one more thing my parents taught me is don't tell fibs unless you have a superb mind as you have to remember what fib you told and who you told it too , so always tell the truth or try too , its easy because it comes naturally , I don't really care any more as one moment you in the army , next you are not , then you know what its like for a serb to point a gun at you and lastly you seen more dead bodies then an undertaker , I give up

Been caught out ? How exactly have I been caught out

I suggest you do a simple google search of military in the UK and you will see exactly what I mean when I say there I more to the military than the Army.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Of course you could just give a straight answer. We can get someone to explain the concept to you in simple words