stevie_r
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A ladies lounge? Is there a portrait of the Queen on the wall?
Queen Victoria that is
Ladies in the comps
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A ladies lounge? Is there a portrait of the Queen on the wall?
Queen Victoria that is
williamalex1
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I will ask again , why cant all h/caps be judged / assessed using the white [so called mens] medal tees, whatever the sex or age.
It has been said so so many times on this forum that the sss or css will even it out. so WHY NOT the same for all.
It has been said so so many times on this forum that the sss or css will even it out. so WHY NOT the same for all.
bigslice
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i was playing the day and was told there are 3 or 4 female associate members moving up to full membership. so will wait and see if they play in saturday comps off the whites (which are for full membership). our red tees are for associate members who can be male or female
williamalex1
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Is it hard to tell whos who.
Foxholer
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Assuming club is one in your sig.
Are they the only female members?
Scorecard looks normal - with Red Par/SSS in Ladies mode. White/Yellow Par/SSS for men (only). If female Full members play off Whites - in Medals - then what is Par/SSS for them? I don't believe they do/will.
To restrict (male) Associate members to the Red tees seems a bit daft to me.
FairwayDodger
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I'm sure I've answered this one before.....
No reason, as you say it will even out; ladies handicaps would tend to be higher but all would then be able to compete.
However, on average women are not as strong as men so, on average, don't hit the ball as far. I'm a relatively big hitter for an amateur lady but if a course was say 6700 yards long I'm not going to enjoy playing it much; I'll be hitting fairway woods for most approach shots. Most female club golfers are going to hate a course of that length, needing 3 or 4 shots to reach the green. Simply, women need to play a shorter course to maintain the same characteristics of the game as the men.
Would you agree to play from the same tees if overall course length was restricted to a sensible length for female club golfers? Our handicaps would be the same, guys would tend to be lower. I'd imagine not because it'd be too many drive/wedge holes... Changing the characteristics of the game....
To be honest, I don't actually see the problem. Ok I'd imagine high handicap men aren't going to be happy giving me a 50 yard start on a hole knowing I drive it 50 yards further than them but my ability to do that is reflected in my handicap which has been calculated based on the tees I use.
bigslice
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lol this was the point of the SGM because equality laws associate membership is offered to both male or female. so to discourage males moving to associate membership and to i think 70% fees and to red tees. as far as i know only a handfull went to associate, but that may change as fees are due end of april
Foxholer
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I agree with FD.
Tees played off - even in Medals - should be such that the course length is appropriate for the players. I don't think White is appropriate for mid-to high handicap Ladies. Reds wouldn't be appropriate for lower 'cap Men either.
I played a quite long (even off Yellows) course on Tuesday (so cold too) and hit 3-wood as second shot on 10 holes. Enjoyable (I scored well) but not a great test of my overall game imo.
Tees played off - even in Medals - should be such that the course length is appropriate for the players. I don't think White is appropriate for mid-to high handicap Ladies. Reds wouldn't be appropriate for lower 'cap Men either.
I played a quite long (even off Yellows) course on Tuesday (so cold too) and hit 3-wood as second shot on 10 holes. Enjoyable (I scored well) but not a great test of my overall game imo.
AmandaJR
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Perfectly put Karen :thup:
I wouldn't play golf in those circumstances as it would be one dimensional, boring and de-motivating. There's a maximum distance I'll ever be ale to hit a ball but not a maximum to how good my scoring clubs, short game and course management can be. Just having length of course as an "adversary" wouldn't work.
Sweep
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It's a stableford. the ladies handicaps are calculated off the red tees, using the ladies stroke indices. The mens handicaps are calculated off the white tees. I don't see what the problem is. The winner is who plays best pro rata to their handicap on the day. Of course the ladies should play off the tees their handicaps are calculated from. This is just the usual whinging men who don't like women in the same comp. As for the longest drive, it is only sensible to have a seperate one for men and women.
HawkeyeMS
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We've jst had our yellow tees rated for the ladiess so they now have two sets of qualifying tees. Why this doesn't happen everywhere I don't know
HawkeyeMS
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Colin L
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How did I miss this thread first time round? If it hadn't been bumped I'd have been deprived of a good few laughs. Forgive me 6inchcup, but this was a gem:
They get full use of the course just the same as the men and they get wednesdays as their comp day,they can use all the facilities the club provides as well as the rather posh ladies lounge,so the answer to your question is yes they get exactly the same as a men's full member would.
More seriously, though, on the matter of accommodating the different requirements of members of a club, if you play a mixed competition with men and women playing off different tees, you equalise matters using the SSS for each measured course and adding or substracting strokes/points. If the men and women played off the same tees, there would be a different SSS for each sex on the same measured course and the same adjustment could be made.
There is a good argument, I believe, to have 4 measured courses, each with an SSS for men and for women. This does not just contribute to equality, but also provides complete flexibility for club competitions, inter-club matches, leagues and hosted county level comps. The senior men who are having difficulty with length off the tee could enjoy a comp off the red tees; the low handicap ladies (who are probably clouting a ball further than I can these days) could enjoy one from the yellow tees; higher level ladies open comps could be off the white; other comps off the tees between red and yellow (whatever colour or tartan they might be) should appeal to those who want a greater challenge than the reds but not quite that of the yellows. The flexibility includes opportunities for juniors as well.
They get full use of the course just the same as the men and they get wednesdays as their comp day,they can use all the facilities the club provides as well as the rather posh ladies lounge,so the answer to your question is yes they get exactly the same as a men's full member would.
More seriously, though, on the matter of accommodating the different requirements of members of a club, if you play a mixed competition with men and women playing off different tees, you equalise matters using the SSS for each measured course and adding or substracting strokes/points. If the men and women played off the same tees, there would be a different SSS for each sex on the same measured course and the same adjustment could be made.
There is a good argument, I believe, to have 4 measured courses, each with an SSS for men and for women. This does not just contribute to equality, but also provides complete flexibility for club competitions, inter-club matches, leagues and hosted county level comps. The senior men who are having difficulty with length off the tee could enjoy a comp off the red tees; the low handicap ladies (who are probably clouting a ball further than I can these days) could enjoy one from the yellow tees; higher level ladies open comps could be off the white; other comps off the tees between red and yellow (whatever colour or tartan they might be) should appeal to those who want a greater challenge than the reds but not quite that of the yellows. The flexibility includes opportunities for juniors as well.
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williamalex1
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Colin L
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As I was saying in the post above (probably while you were typing yours!), all you need is for your club to get an SSS assessed for men from the red tees and you could have comps for men from them.
No need for the op: you can keep your bits and pieces.
williamalex1
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As I was saying in the post above (probably while you were typing yours!), all you need is for your club to get an SSS assessed for men from the red tees and you could have comps for men from them.
No need for the op: you can keep your bits and pieces.
Thanks Colin, but as with my old 1 and 2 iron , i've not much use for them anymore, but 50 yds i need .
Colin L
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Me neither, but I'd prefer to keep them, at the very least as souvenirs.
williamalex1
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Foxholer
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Just in case this hasn't been explained...
In combined competitions, where men play off Men's tees and Ladies play off Ladies Tees- there has to be an (equity) adjustment made - to equate the 2 different courses.
This involves making an adjustment for the difference between Par and SSS for each course.
So if Pars are the same and SSSs are the same, there is no difference. But if Pars are the same and SSS of Ladies is 1 more than Par, then ladies would get 1 'equity' shot - so that, in a Stableford comp someone who has played to net SSS on one course will score the same 'competition' score as someone who has shot net SSS on the other.
That 'competition' score only applies to the combined competition. For handicap purposes, there are 2 comps, with their own CSS.
bluewolf
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So, is the reason that some clubs don't run mixed competitions purely because it's too complicated for certain minds to work out? Genuine question (maybe a little flippant).
