Jamie Carrahger.

[Don Barzini]

Just read a couple of articles about this and there was one featuring some tweets by LFC fans about this incident. The overwhelming response is along the lines of "Yes, he's done wrong but he's held his hands up and apologised. He should be forgiven and shouldn't lose his job, let's move on".

Highly predictable!

Dare I suggest that if the roles were reversed and that if this was a high profile ex-Man Utd player who gobbed on a Liverpool fan and his daughter, those same Liverpool fans would be writing something a little bit different on Twitter and would literally NEVER let him forget it......?!

 

[sawtooth]

He has been 'suspended' which leads me to believe Sky will wait for it all to blow over before slowly phasing him back into broadcasting duty.

Not IMO, they suspended him until they’ve got all the legal things sorted then will announce the sacking.

My guess is that we will hear something later today.

 

[Marshy77]

Just read a couple of articles about this and there was one featuring some tweets by LFC fans about this incident. The overwhelming response is along the lines of "Yes, he's done wrong but he's held his hands up and apologised. He should be forgiven and shouldn't lose his job, let's move on".

Highly predictable!

Dare I suggest that if the roles were reversed and that if this was a high profile ex-Man Utd player who gobbed on a Liverpool fan and his daughter, those some fans would be writing something a little bit different on Twitter......?!

Of course they would, they'd be tweeting the same things the Man Utd fans are saying now.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And that is probably why we won't be seeing him again....
If I spat at someone and got prosecuted for it, I would likely lose my ADI licence as I wouldn't be deemed a "fit and proper person" by the governing body. Sky have to protect their image and, although they seem to have been soft on others, I'd be surprised in JC comes back
Would be funny, if he did go back, if GNev wears a raincoat and hat though.....

If a video of you doing it was shown to the ADI and you weren’t prosecuted could they take any action against you?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Just read a couple of articles about this and there was one featuring some tweets by LFC fans about this incident. The overwhelming response is along the lines of "Yes, he's done wrong but he's held his hands up and apologised. He should be forgiven and shouldn't lose his job, let's move on".

Highly predictable!

Dare I suggest that if the roles were reversed and that if this was a high profile ex-Man Utd player who gobbed on a Liverpool fan and his daughter, those same Liverpool fans would be writing something a little bit different on Twitter and would literally NEVER let him forget it......?!

And if it was the other way round again (Man U player spat at a Liverpool fan), it would also be the same way.

Loads saying its disgusting, loads defending him.

 

[Beezerk]

What has amazed me about this whole episode is the way Carragher just reacted like that straight away. I mean all the guy was doing was goading him with the scoreline! He wasn't using foul language as far as we know. Yet Carragher just gobs at him, doesn't even give back a bit of chat first! Straight in with the spitting!

Makes you wonder if he's done it before and got away with it, like you say he wasn't even provoked, just very mild banter.

 

[Orikoru]

Not IMO, they suspended him until they’ve got all the legal things sorted then will announce the sacking.

My guess is that we will hear something later today.

Sky gave him a one-on-one interview live on Sky News to apologise profusely yesterday. That suggests they are doing what they can to keep him on. Why give him that platform otherwise?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Sky gave him a one-on-one interview live on Sky News to apologise profusely yesterday. That suggests they are doing what they can to keep him on. Why give him that platform otherwise?

To try and stop their image being tarnished. It will be now a full on PR play by Sky to do what they can to ensure the least damage to their reputation and ultimately ensure their share price stays as high as possible. And I imagine they will be listening to public and media opinion amongst other things and weighing up the potential damage to their brand of keeping him on against getting rid. The perception will always trump the detailed minutia of the incident, and if his perception amongst a lot of their viewers/shareholders is of a gobbing moron then he will go. But unfortunately team alliances will always cloud a lot of people's judgements.

 

[Imurg]

If a video of you doing it was shown to the ADI and you weren’t prosecuted could they take any action against you?

I wouldn't rule it out....
We've just had a new code of conduct introduced.
Even if we shout at clients, and they complain, action can be taken.
If the DVSA got of hold of a video of me doing that I would be ecstatic with a rap on the knuckles

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I wouldn't rule it out....

That’s not really answering the question, but no worries. :thup:

Just seen the edit, I know some jobs have quite strict rules and regulations and some virtually none, cheers.

 

[Orikoru]

To try and stop their image being tarnished. It will be now a full on PR play by Sky to do what they can to ensure the least damage to their reputation and ultimately ensure their share price stays as high as possible. And I imagine they will be listening to public and media opinion amongst other things and weighing up the potential damage to their brand of keeping him on against getting rid. The perception will always trump the detailed minutia of the incident, and if his perception amongst a lot of their viewers/shareholders is of a gobbing moron then he will go. But unfortunately team alliances will always cloud a lot of people's judgements.

If it was just that I think they would have just sacked him immediately and released a statement saying his behaviour is completely at odds with their values. To give him the platform on Sky News means they care about his reputation being restored, which to me says they want to keep him on TV.

 

[Imurg]

They'll have to go through all the procedures to make sure it's 100% legal and watertight...

 

[Slab]

I'll wager there's call centre staff/installers on the receiving end of much worse provocation than this on a regular basis so Sky have an easy decision, what would they do regardless of who the culprit was?

If after reacting in this manner (comparatively) in response to some limited provocation these other folks would be keeping their jobs, then so should Carragher

If each of them would’ve been sacked than so should he

Simple

 

[Grant85]

Hugely disgusting and I can't really imagine what was going through his mind if was so out of character, as a lot of people are saying.

That certainly doesn't excuse the guy filming who was acting in a similar despicable and pathetic way - but obviously as a former footballer and influential pundit, Carragher is held to a higher standard.

Personally, I think we are all excused one moment of madness and he may be able to rebuild his career.

To put into context, remember we still have the former Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, sitting in parliament as a member of the Conservative party, despite admitting to lewd behaviour and conduct that was not good enough to warrant him continuing as Defence Secretary, but apparently ok to continue as an MP and conservative.

Similarly, the Labour benches have Hugh Gaffney among them, who thought it appropriate to make a Burns Supper speech with homophobic and racist language and jokes. Labour thought it not appropriate to chuck him out.

That said, I would be surprised if Sky do have him back. While punditry is a difficult job (more so than most probably realise), and being an ex PL footballer narrows the replacements down a lot, I'm sure they will find someone who will be more suitable.

 

[Orikoru]

That said, I would be surprised if Sky do have him back. While punditry is a difficult job (more so than most probably realise), and being an ex PL footballer narrows the replacements down a lot, I'm sure they will find someone who will be more suitable.

From what I've seen of Frank Lampard, he has a bright future in punditry if he wants to go down that road rather than management.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Trying to get rid of a sitting MP is extremely difficult, especially when the HoC numbers makes everything so tight. A minister may have to resign their post but there is close to no chance of them resigning their seat. Far too good a number, pay, pension, prestige etc

We really don't want to start measuring behaviour against that of MP's do we? That standard is far too low. We can do so much better than that.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Hugely disgusting and I can't really imagine what was going through his mind if was so out of character, as a lot of people are saying.

That certainly doesn't excuse the guy filming who was acting in a similar despicable and pathetic way - but obviously as a former footballer and influential pundit, Carragher is held to a higher standard.

Personally, I think we are all excused one moment of madness and he may be able to rebuild his career.

To put into context, remember we still have the former Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, sitting in parliament as a member of the Conservative party, despite admitting to lewd behaviour and conduct that was not good enough to warrant him continuing as Defence Secretary, but apparently ok to continue as an MP and conservative.

Similarly, the Labour benches have Hugh Gaffney among them, who thought it appropriate to make a Burns Supper speech with homophobic and racist language and jokes. Labour thought it not appropriate to chuck him out.

That said, I would be surprised if Sky do have him back. While punditry is a difficult job (more so than most probably realise), and being an ex PL footballer narrows the replacements down a lot, I'm sure they will find someone who will be more suitable.

Not a lot I suspect - when we snap we don;t think very logically if at all. That is why I think that it is important to consider the guys character, previous behaviour and the circumstances of the incident.

Given the above and his fulsome apologies and apparent disgust at what he did, suggests to me that forgiveness by the girl and her family is appropriate if they feel that they can. And if they forgive, then what the rest of us think becomes somewhat secondary - though not to be dismissed as irrelevant.

 

[Grant85]

Trying to get rid of a sitting MP is extremely difficult, especially when the HoC numbers makes everything so tight. A minister may have to resign their post but there is close to no chance of them resigning their seat. Far too good a number, pay, pension, prestige etc

We really don't want to start measuring behaviour against that of MP's do we? That standard is far too low. We can do so much better than that.

It is extremely difficult, but my point was that these two are still in their respective parties. The party could have stated these guys were out of the party and they could have chosen to continue as independent members until the next election at least, or voluntarily resigned and allowed a by-election.

There was a chap in the Scottish Parliament (Mark MacDonald) who was under investigation by his party (SNP). When the guy realised the findings were damning - he resigned from the SNP (before he was pushed) but is still an MSP, albeit has been encouraged to do the decent thing and resign from parliament.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Everybody makes at least one mistake in their life.
He has apologised, and whilst I dont argue it was a disgusting thing to do, I don't think the chap with the phone filming it is has no blame in the matter nor is innocent.

There's obviously a tribal warfare issue here, clubs v clubs, but lets be honest he hasn't actually hurt anyone, done any damge (other than to his own reputation) or cause any inconvienence other than to himself.
In some ways, letting him go would be easier on him rather than having him continue with his post and have to face the comments and ribbing from all and sundry in front of the cameras never to be forgotten.

He was an idiot and acted very foolishly in a very rash moment. If we can all say we have never done something very rash and out of character at any time in your life then good on you.
I know I can't.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Everybody makes at least one mistake in their life.
He has apologised, and whilst I dont argue it was a disgusting thing to do, I don't think the chap with the phone filming it is has no blame in the matter nor is innocent.

There's obviously a tribal warfare issue here, clubs v clubs, but lets be honest he hasn't actually hurt anyone, done any damge (other than to his own reputation) or cause any inconvienence other than to himself.
In some ways, letting him go would be easier on him rather than having him continue with his post and have to face the comments and ribbing from all and sundry in front of the cameras never to be forgotten.

He was an idiot and acted very foolishly in a very rash moment. If we can all say we have never done something very rash and out of character at any time in your life then good on you.
I know I can't.

I'm as very strong proponent of forgiveness in life - since when we do not forgive we sit with anger and resentments if things don't get dealt with as we would want and we do not agree with or like any outcome. And personal anger and resentments are destructive emotions to carry around. If we can forgive and hence defuse our anger or upset then we are in a much better place to cope with the next big issue that hits us - an issue that might be a lot harder to cope with emotionally. We need to clear our decks as best we can - and keep them clear.

Anyway that's just my general philosophy in life rather than any greater comment on this specific incident. But if JC is keel-hauled and spat out by Sky (bad use of language) to his and his families detriment - it is quite possible that, in time, the accusing dad and his family might actually feel a bit of guilt - even though in the first instance they might feel overweening pride in themselves. And such pride and guilt are also emotions that you just don't want