Jamie Carrahger.

[chrisd]

I'm as very strong proponent of forgiveness in life - since when we do not forgive we sit with anger and resentments if things don't get dealt with as we would want and we do not agree with or like any outcome. And personal anger and resentments are destructive emotions to carry around. If we can forgive and hence defuse our anger or upset then we are in a much better place to cope with the next big issue that hits us - an issue that might be a lot harder to cope with emotionally. We need to clear our decks as best we can - and keep them clear.

Anyway that's just my general philosophy in life rather than any greater comment on this specific incident. But if JC is keel-hauled and spat out by Sky (bad use of language) to his and his families detriment - it is quite possible that, in time, the accusing dad and his family might actually feel a bit of guilt - even though in the first instance they might feel overweening pride in themselves. And such pride and guilt are also emotions that you just don't want

Well that makes me feel a lot happier about voting for Brexit 😁

 

[Lord Tyrion]

It is extremely difficult, but my point was that these two are still in their respective parties. The party could have stated these guys were out of the party and they could have chosen to continue as independent members until the next election at least, or voluntarily resigned and allowed a by-election.

There was a chap in the Scottish Parliament (Mark MacDonald) who was under investigation by his party (SNP). When the guy realised the findings were damning - he resigned from the SNP (before he was pushed) but is still an MSP, albeit has been encouraged to do the decent thing and resign from parliament.

Nobody does hypocrisy like a politician. I totally agree with you but unfortunately political parties put their own standing above all else. Grim really.

 

[Marshy77]

Everybody makes at least one mistake in their life.
He has apologised, and whilst I dont argue it was a disgusting thing to do, I don't think the chap with the phone filming it is has no blame in the matter nor is innocent.

There's obviously a tribal warfare issue here, clubs v clubs, but lets be honest he hasn't actually hurt anyone, done any damge (other than to his own reputation) or cause any inconvienence other than to himself.
In some ways, letting him go would be easier on him rather than having him continue with his post and have to face the comments and ribbing from all and sundry in front of the cameras never to be forgotten.

He was an idiot and acted very foolishly in a very rash moment. If we can all say we have never done something very rash and out of character at any time in your life then good on you.
I know I can't.

Agree with all of this.

 

[Don Barzini]

Has he apologised because he's genuinely sorry for what he did, or because he got caught and faces losing his job over it....?

 

[Blue in Munich]

I'm as very strong proponent of forgiveness in life - since when we do not forgive we sit with anger and resentments if things don't get dealt with as we would want and we do not agree with or like any outcome. And personal anger and resentments are destructive emotions to carry around. If we can forgive and hence defuse our anger or upset then we are in a much better place to cope with the next big issue that hits us - an issue that might be a lot harder to cope with emotionally. We need to clear our decks as best we can - and keep them clear.

Anyway that's just my general philosophy in life rather than any greater comment on this specific incident. But if JC is keel-hauled and spat out by Sky (bad use of language) to his and his families detriment - it is quite possible that, in time, the accusing dad and his family might actually feel a bit of guilt - even though in the first instance they might feel overweening pride in themselves. And such pride and guilt are also emotions that you just don't want

A pity you can't exhibit that towards those who voted Leave then.......

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well that makes me feel a lot happier about voting for Brexit 😁

aye - you'll have to do a lot of putting aside of resentments when the Uk electorate change their mind and vote to remain in the EU

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A pity you can't exhibit that towards those who voted Leave then.......

Oh - I have forgiven all (at least most) who voted leave - though forgiving the Leave snake-oil salesmen is hard and remains a work in progress. Doesn't make them right or the leaving of the EU less stupid.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Has he apologised because he's genuinely sorry for what he did, or because he got caught and faces losing his job over it....?

You can't tell and I suggest no point in trying to determine - other than if you listen to others who know him and are happy to give him a glowing character reference then you should accept he is genuine in his remorse.

 

[Imurg]

But if JC is keel-hauled and spat out by Sky (bad use of language) to his and his families detriment

Then it's his own stupid fault.
Don't feel sorry for him, he's been paid more money kicking a ball around than most of us will see in a lifetime.
Heaven forbid, if he does get the boot, he may have to go out and get a real job although I doubt anyone would employ someone with such obvious anger management issues....

I hope he's invested his money well.....

 

[Del_Boy]

He wasn’t in the workplace and was in his own time, Gallagher risked the lives of her kids and every other person on the road when she got done for d&d, that’s way worse than carra, where’s the outrage over her behaviour?

She’s fit

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Then it's his own stupid fault.
Don't feel sorry for him, he's been paid more money kicking a ball around than most of us will see in a lifetime.
Heaven forbid, if he does get the boot, he may have to go out and get a real job although I doubt anyone would employ someone with such obvious anger management issues....

I hope he's invested his money well.....

Carragher will still find a job in either the media or football - I’m pretty sure most people in the world are willing to give people second chances as opposed to casting them aside ( which seems to be more social media mob mentality)

 

[Hobbit]

Carragher will still find a job in either the media or football - I’m pretty sure most people in the world are willing to give people second chances as opposed to casting them aside ( which seems to be more social media mob mentality)

Mob mentality or higher standards than you? If he'd sworn at them in responding to what was just banter it wouldn't have even caused a ripple. Does he deserve the sack? I'd put him on a final written warning.

 

[Papas1982]

I’m sure he could waltz into a job at Liverpool, let’s be honest he was a great player for them.

I don’t hink he needs to be treated as a social pariah, but if he gets sacked it may at least set some sort of example that no matter how privileged a life you lead, your actions have consequences.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

She’s fit

She has suffered. The wardrobe dept at Sky cut off the sleeves on all of her outfits as a punishment 😁.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Haven't Sky already set a benchmark though with the sacking of Marsh, Keys and Gray? Not sure how they can change their stance given what has gone before? I think in time he'll get a role back in the media somewhere, and I wouldn't have an issue but to let him carry on, even after a brief suspension smacks of double standards

 

[Deleted member 16999]

haven't sky already set a benchmark though with the sacking of marsh, keys and gray? Not sure how they can change their stance given what has gone before? I think in time he'll get a role back in the media somewhere, and i wouldn't have an issue but to let him carry on, even after a brief suspension smacks of double standards

Kirsty Gallagher!! ffs

 

[chrisd]

aye - you'll have to do a lot of putting aside of resentments when the Uk electorate change their mind and vote to remain in the EU

"Following the demise of Ken Dodd, SILH decides to pursue a life in comedy "

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Kirsty Gallagher!! ffs

If my work place is any sort of bench mark, plenty of employees with DD convictions. Pretty sure if they spat or made obvious sexist comments as Carrager and Keys/Gray did then they would face disciplinary action. Without condoning drink driving, it doesn't seem (subject of course to having a job reliant on driving for a living) to be seen as that big a deal and I am sure if you were to canvass the Sky Sports workplace (and not just those on TV), there would be others with the same conviction

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If my work place is any sort of bench mark, plenty of employees with DD convictions. Pretty sure if they spat or made obvious sexist comments as Carrager and Keys/Gray did then they would face disciplinary action. Without condoning drink driving, it doesn't seem (subject of course to having a job reliant on driving for a living) to be seen as that big a deal and I am sure if you were to canvass the Sky Sports workplace (and not just those on TV), there would be others with the same conviction

So you equate sexist and racist comments to someone spitting at a car, but someone pulled over driving kids to school drunk, is ok, somehow you then say letting him carry on after a suspension would smack of double standards, she risked the lives of her children and every other road user that day!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So you equate sexist and racist comments to someone spitting at a car, but someone pulled over driving kids to school drunk, is ok, somehow you then say letting him carry on after a suspension would smack of double standards, she risked the lives of her children and every other road user that day!

Read what I said. Not condoning it but I'm pointing out that it seems common place in many workplaces that drunk driving isn't as stigmatised by the employer in the same way as sexist, racist behaviour or anything as unpleasant as spitting. I don't think it's right but is she the only one. Chris Tarrant was convicted recently and I doubt he'll be shunted off a TV screen and not allowed to work again.