freddielong
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Sorry I just do not get it, I don't see how sss comes into it as it isn't used as part of scoring.
Is it fair that a ladies play from red and men white in the same competition?
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Sorry I just do not get it, I don't see how sss comes into it as it isn't used as part of scoring.
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LP - maybe on your course the difference between red and white tees is negligible but at mine it is significant. Not only in terms of distance, which can be taken into account by SSS but how they change the hole. A red tee can be at the front of a tree lined hole, the whites at the back of it. The same goes for shots over water, angles in to holes etc. That changes the psychological aspect of it totally. It is not just about distance, the holes become totally different which is why they are not really comparable. If you want it to be truly mixed then play everyone off the yellows and adjust the scratch accordingly. Seems a fair compromise.
Tashyboy
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Trying to keep it simple but person A walks 7000yd = white tees. Person B walks 6000 yd = red tees. I would expect person B to be at least half an hour quicker round the golf course..
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Again I'm not seeing then problem ?
Is it not the case that for most females they don't hit it as far as the men ?
Don't your ladies play off the reds every week anyway - so why force them to play of harder tees when it's already tough for them
Are your ladies ripping the course apart ? Or is it still a good test.
Our course has all the tees a lot closer yet the ladies still find it tough. In all the mixed comps ( about 40 - we have had two lady winners of a division - not the whole comp )
The point is that if you are running a joint competition then you need to run them off the same tees to make it fair. Adjust using par but use the same tees. If you don't do that then don't run the comp together. A red tee is not simply 10yds further forward on many holes, it alters the hole entirely. When that happens there is distortion.
Let's take this a step further. In a comp should men with h/caps over 18 play off the yellows and those below play off the whites? Is that fair to those playing off whites? Not likely and I say that as someone who would be on the yellows.
I'm not losing sleep over this and I would encourage men and ladies comps to be played together on the same day, mixed groups etc. They should however be managed and judged separately.
Let's take this a step further. In a comp should men with h/caps over 18 play off the yellows and those below play off the whites? Is that fair to those playing off whites? Not likely and I say that as someone who would be on the yellows.
I'm not losing sleep over this and I would encourage men and ladies comps to be played together on the same day, mixed groups etc. They should however be managed and judged separately.
That same argument can be used for yellow and white tees. Incidentally, for good ladies, always playing off reds must be very boring and quite restrictive.
Dasit
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In general, is there a much bigger gap in driver distance between high handicap women and low handicap women, than there is for men high vs low?
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Handicaps is what levels any competition out
A ladies HC is relative to the tee that they use to gain an official HC and then the SSS is adjustable for each
The red tees is the course for the ladies -at most courses - the hole is still difficult for them
Men's HC are all valid of the one tee hence why your white/yellow tee is not valid for specific Handicaps
We run mix comps and have done for a while now and they are fair and the results show that - the person playing the best relative to their HC wins
Handicaps that people have are what makes it all fair for everyone single person
It's quite simple really
On a mix comps - the ladies play their qualifying course and the men play their qualifying course. Any adjustments are then made afterward relative to the Par and SSS.
Forcing ladies to play of a tee that isn't their qualifying tee isn't fair - it's unfair on them
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Your HC each year is based on the white tees
Men on average play off the white tees at least once a week
AmandaJR
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I've resisted this thread so far but will respond on this. If the weather, conditions, flag positions and my shots were exactly the same every time I played my course, from the red tees, then maybe it would become all too familiar...those factors change from round to round so no it isn't boring and no it isn't restrictive. As has been said, my handicap is based upon competitive golf from the red tees, so every round I play I'm trying to score relative to that...surely the same for every male golfer too.
Doon frae Troon
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To big a generalisation.
Here is another one.
28 handicap males can spray it all over the place and hold up play quite a lot.
28 handicap women hit their poor shots straight[ish] and seldom lose balls.
rulefan
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rulefan
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We are not unusual but in my club the Rabbits and Seniors play their comps off the yellows, weekly and misc medals are played off the whites and monthly and board comps off the blues (longest). We decided our tee colours 50 years ago, well before CONGU stuck their oars in.
But isn't that what SSS is/was about?
rulefan
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SSS is a measure of course difficulty and is a significant factor in the determination of CSS.
rosecott
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In the same way that SSS is assessed for the white tees, all aspects and layout of the hole are part of the SSS assessment for the red tees. It's not just a case of assessing each hole based on its yardage compared to the white tee yardage..
Doon frae Troon
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http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?11-Out-of-Bounds
Out of touch these days, honest enquiry.
Do Counties still only allow two measured tees for men with the exception of courses who have held the Open or British championships?
rulefan
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No, you may have as many as the county raters are prepared to do. We are rating a few courses now for red, yellow, white and blue/black for men and red and green for ladies.
Generally with older courses not having space to lengthen, most clubs only have yellow and white with about 1/4 opting for the red also (men). Few ladies have other than red and a few seniors are asking for green. I don't know why but they seem to want the green and red to be the same but don't want to 'play off the ladies tees' would you believe.
Tashyboy
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If we want equality if golf and I cannot think of one reason why we do not. Then why do men play off yellows or whites, and women just play off just reds. Why do they not have reds and pinks. A guy who has now started at our place said stapleford comps were always off yellows and Medal were always off whites at his old course. We dont even have a "norm" in men's comps from club to club so how can we discuss women who have it easy. Sort out the men's formats then less discuss women's.
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There is nothing to "sort out"
You can play any Comp you wish using any tee you wish provided that tee has a SSS applied to it
We have comps of both yellows and reds - the ladies have used the yellows stones before for their club champs
There is no "set way" - each club has the ability to pick
You can play any Comp you wish using any tee you wish provided that tee has a SSS applied to it
We have comps of both yellows and reds - the ladies have used the yellows stones before for their club champs
There is no "set way" - each club has the ability to pick
