Indyref2

[Fish]

Will I need a passport to play St. Andrews ?

Will we have border police on Hadrians wall ?

Can Donald trump be Scottish president ?

We should do the opposite to what we do over the bridge into Wales, we should have free entry into Scotland as we'll be spending loads and a small toll of less than £5 to get out, but for Scottish Nationals it should be thousands to get out and come sarf but those already here it's free to get them back in

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Will I need a passport to play St. Andrews ?

Will we have border police on Hadrians wall ?

Can Donald trump be Scottish president ?

No, mibbe, on yer bike

 

[Deleted member 18645]

Let's have new elections just for all the seats the SNP won at the last election. I mean, I don't like the result they gave so perhaps we can run it again to see what happens this time.

She is an utter embarrassment to politics (which takes some doing). The hell with democracy - it's my ball and I'm in charge of who plays with it. Err no love, you're not.

 

[Hobbit]

Let's have new elections just for all the seats the SNP won at the last election. I mean, I don't like the result they gave so perhaps we can run it again to see what happens this time.

She is an utter embarrassment to politics (which takes some doing). The hell with democracy - it's my ball and I'm in charge of who plays with it. Err no love, you're not.

Cracking post!

 

[FairwayDodger]

I've changed my mind. If there is indyref2 the nats will win it. Not because the appetite for independence is there at the moment but because they know not to call one until they're sure they will win.

I've just seen Nicola sturgeons conference speech and it was brilliant. She totally nailed the tories and brexit and even spun how Scotland in the U.K. and also Europe might look and, failing that, how we'd be better off independent. I don't believe a word of it but it sounded good. If they decide to go for indyref2 she'll win it pretty comfortably I think.

 

[Val]

I'm not convinced yet, I do in my heart of hearts think another vote would be a yes for independence but a colleague today said something that made me think. He voted for independence as he would like an independent Scotland with eu membership and the £ but this time independence and eu membership will result in the Euro and a propping up of other countries financial mistakes, that is not for him, I also think a switch to the euro may be enough for many to say NO also

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I know its a serious issue but it has a sense of rock, scissors, paper, best of three wins

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Cracking post!

@PS's post was a load of tosh actually - it is just what the SNP want to hear coming from south of the border.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I've changed my mind. If there is indyref2 the nats will win it. Not because the appetite for independence is there at the moment but because they know not to call one until they're sure they will win.

I've just seen Nicola sturgeons conference speech and it was brilliant. She totally nailed the tories and brexit and even spun how Scotland in the U.K. and also Europe might look and, failing that, how we'd be better off independent. I don't believe a word of it but it sounded good. If they decide to go for indyref2 she'll win it pretty comfortably I think.

Exactly. The Bill being drafted will be on the shelf until the polls say consistently that a good majority want a referendum. Of course lots of NOers might just say they want one soon to get the majority NicolaS wants - then vote No.

 

[Fish]

I'm not convinced yet, I do in my heart of hearts think another vote would be a yes for independence but a colleague today said something that made me think. He voted for independence as he would like an independent Scotland with eu membership and the £ but this time independence and eu membership will result in the Euro and a propping up of other countries financial mistakes, that is not for him, I also think a switch to the euro may be enough for many to say NO also

But what of the financial cost to Scotland if a yes vote came about, are the people up there being told that, or is it all a bit emotive?

By all accounts Scotland ran up a £15bn deficit twice that of the UK which meant had the yes vote gone through last time, taxes on Whiskey, Homes, Petrol etc would have been a given and the forecasts are that it will be 3 times that of the UK! Apparently the no vote kept your deficit at £1400 per head, but the forecasters state if it had been yes you would be at £2,850 per head, £2k more than the UK!

And what of the cost to change your whole monetary system, who's paying for that? and I thought Brussels said you couldn't join them if you voted for independence?

She's a good speaker there's no denying that, but I think she'll bring your country to its knees for the sakes of her own pride and mission and she won't be around to pick up the pieces, she'll probably bugger off somewhere sunny then!

 

[chippa1909]

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But what of the financial cost to Scotland if a yes vote came about, are the people up there being told that, or is it all a bit emotive?

By all accounts Scotland ran up a £15bn deficit twice that of the UK which meant had the yes vote gone through last time, taxes on Whiskey, Homes, Petrol etc would have been a given and the forecasts are that it will be 3 times that of the UK! Apparently the no vote kept your deficit at £1400 per head, but the forecasters state if it had been yes you would be at £2,850 per head, £2k more than the UK!

And what of the cost to change your whole monetary system, who's paying for that? and I thought Brussels said you couldn't join them if you voted for independence?

She's a good speaker there's no denying that, but I think she'll bring your country to its knees for the sakes of her own pride and mission and she won't be around to pick up the pieces, she'll probably bugger off somewhere sunny then!

Perhaps you need to look into things a bit more deeply.

 

[ColchesterFC]

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Perhaps you need to look into things a bit more deeply.

Are you saying that the figures in the GERS report and from the Tax Payers Alliance are incorrect?

 

[chippa1909]

Are you saying that the figures in the GERS report and from the Tax Payers Alliance are incorrect?

GERS are estimated figures based on Scotland IN the UK, with the constraints that entails,not independent of it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

GERS are estimated figures based on Scotland IN the UK, with the constraints that entails,not independent of it.

What constraints are they then? Being constrained by the UK government bailing Scotland out when they overspend by £15 billion for the year?

 

[Hobbit]

GERS are estimated figures based on Scotland IN the UK, with the constraints that entails,not independent of it.

Do you actually know what the GERS report is and who produces it?

It has absolutely nothing to do with in or out. It's a financial statement just like you receive from your bank.

 

[chippa1909]

What constraints are they then? Being constrained by the UK government bailing Scotland out when they overspend by £15 billion for the year?

You just keep believing that Scotland is too poor my friend.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You just keep believing that Scotland is too poor my friend.

Maybe provide something to counter the argument ?

Why are Scotland struggling financially to the point they required further billions to help them out ? Why did Scotland run up such a big deficit ?

 

[chippa1909]

Maybe provide something to counter the argument ?

Why are Scotland struggling financially to the point they required further billions to help them out ? Why did Scotland run up such a big deficit ?

Why do you think it only comes down to money?

It's more about aesthetics as far as I'm concerned. The UK isn't a particularly pleasant or appealing prospect.

 

[SocketRocket]

It's not Sturgeon's or the Scottish Parliament's right to hold an election. May has already indicated that Scotland had their referendum and it was a decision for a generation.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The bit that is difficult for me to understand is......... if Scotland is such a drain on the UK finances why is virtually everyone in the rUK so desperate to keep us.
Could it be that the financial figures produced by Westminster are not what they appear to be. Surely not.

The joke up here is that in Indyref2 David Davis will scaremonger us by saying that we will have to remain with the £ as our currency.:lol:

As Chippa says, it is not about the money.
Many Scots would be happy to pay a bit more to the state to have a more equal society. Tories are becoming even more Toxic.