Old Skier
Tour Winner
You really are clueless. Back to you blog.
Wales was a principality, once upon a time. But that was in 1542. 472 years ago… 472 years.
Wales is a country. A nation. We have our own laws. We have a Government, a legislature.
But what, pray tell, is a "principality"?
The Oxford English Dictionary describes a principality as being: "The territory held or governed by a prince."
Now some may offer the Prince of Wales up as an answer to the issue at hand, but that would be wholly inappropriate, since Charles holds no constitutional responsibility over our homeland. His designation is granted by the Queen, and is an entirely traditional title.
No, Wales is a country (472 years-worth of country-dom, remember!).
In fact, in 2008 the Welsh Government issued a statement on this very issue:
"Wales is not a principality. Although we are joined with England by land, and we are part of Great Britain, Wales is a country in its own right."
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Sweep
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But even if Holyrood votes for a referendum, Mrs May has said no, so it's still not happening is it?
What is actually wrong with having another referendum? It is only about asking a nation a question. Timing? Not great.... but not great for who?
Crack on, let's do it.
Crack on, let's do it.
FairwayDodger
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Are we just going to have one every two years until the nats get their way? Enough!
Old Skier
Tour Winner
And when do they stop.
surely that's for them to decide
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Whos them, the people have already decided.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Why? All the polls recently have shown that less than 50% of those asked want another referendum. Why do the SNP get to go against the wishes of the majority. I could understand it if they were getting results showing that 60%+ were in favour of another referendum but that's just not the case.
Hobbit, if the Scots want to have another referendum that is up to them. They end up paying for them so it is up them if that is where they want to spend their money. The issue on timing for me is that if Scotland goes for independence then clearly there needs to be some very complicated separation talks. Problem there being the UK experts in this will be dealing with the EU on that little separation. They can't be in two places at once. We need to finish that job before moving to the next one.
You tell me, you said they.
The question of how people in our office would vote came up last week. A mix of warehouse staff, office staff, technicians and management work there, with a third of them from elsewhere in Scotland.
17 to 00 in favour of staying in the U.K.
Although one one spoke of self determination, all voted no based on economics. Must admit I was surprised.
17 to 00 in favour of staying in the U.K.
Although one one spoke of self determination, all voted no based on economics. Must admit I was surprised.
Old Skier
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I wish I could remember.
SocketRocket
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No sensible posts please!
IanM
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That's the way they usually operate. E.g. Rather like the Japanese soldier they found years after, the BBC are still fighting the Referendum Campaign
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
The SNP would rather wait until they polled in the 60's, probably 2/3 years.
Problem for Scotland is that if the wrong half the Tory party, UKIP and the other extreme right parties get their way, by then Scotland will probably be a post Brexit wasteland.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Luckily the extreme right don't tend to survive in the UK and I doubt if they will surface this time. Its the extreme left that Scotland has to worry about as they are already driving the country further and further into debt.
In the end it comes down to an individual persons perception of extreme.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
That useful idiot Tim Farron keeps saying that the LiebDems are the only UK Party fighting a hard Brexit.
WRONG
Nice but Tim, are you deluded, out of touch or both.
WRONG
Nice but Tim, are you deluded, out of touch or both.
In or out of the Union it's only a few years before the SNP will have to raise income tax and council tax to punitive levels.
I'm gobsmacked that the electorate can't see what is just around the corner. A £15bn deficit across not many people is a £5000 a year increase for the working population of Scotland, or £4600 if pensioners are taxed.
The SNP buying popularity and votes. An incompetent party leading Scotland down a very rocky divisive road.
I'm gobsmacked that the electorate can't see what is just around the corner. A £15bn deficit across not many people is a £5000 a year increase for the working population of Scotland, or £4600 if pensioners are taxed.
The SNP buying popularity and votes. An incompetent party leading Scotland down a very rocky divisive road.
drdel
Tour Rookie
I agree, even with raised corporation tax and Vat; Scotland is in the proverbial mire. Add in the additional cost of being a sovereign state and the sums just don't add up.
The SNP are seemingly blind to the obvious. However it has always been a good ploy of politics that you create and 'external enemy' to keep the voters from concentrating on the problems at home. England/Westminster has been a convenient 'enemy'.
