I propose a playability test!!!!

[Liverbirdie]

I agree with the sentiment. Not based on how much money you've got, not based on your ability to play (or handicap), just based on showing good manners to people, as with golf your game can have an effect on the game in front or behind, unlike most other sports.

Likening it to motorway driving, this isn't part of the test, but god some people dont know how to drive on motorways, and these can be the most dangerous people.

Dont want to get into the nitty-gritty of how it'll work, but agree in principal.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

There are people that don't have a great deal of ability but still want to play golf...good on 'em. And there are muppets just out to hack up the course, have a laugh and not give a toss about anyone else. These people need to be educated as they spoil it for the rest of us.

Sounds to me like you were stuck behind the secong lot. I wouldn't have been able to bite my tongue, I would (politely) have pointed out the error of their ways and asked to play through.

 

[Scottjd1]

The people who piss me off are the ones who just play the game to get out and have a walk and have no intention of trying to improve. Just tip tapping the ball along the fairway munching butties and supping flasks of tea.

You've followed Scottjd too.... Painfull isn't it

Mate that video clip is seconds away...keep going.:ears:

 

[Oddsocks]

Unless you have a super game improvement mouse I doubt you could upload it

 

[Iaing]

I think you showed remarkable patience mate !
I don't know if the card idea would work. Who's going to police it ?

Probably playing with a Committee member ( or experienced member ) willing to give up their time to help out is the best option.

 

[MoonPig]

I have to agree with the op to somke extent. Golf after all can be a dangerous sport. I know some may laugh at that comment but if players are unaware of basic etiquette such as shouting "fore" waiting until greens are cleared etc.. then it can cause serious injury. What I suppose I am suggesting would be that if relative newbies would like to play a "proper" course then they should be made to have passed a simple rules and etiquette test. This would not only solve the issues the op mentioned but make it safer for everyone on the course.

 

[Oddsocks]

Most people are aware of 9 hole starter courses that are dotted about, something silly like £29.95 per person based on a group of 3+ the pro.

That's £90 for what is at most 2 hours work.

£35 quid to the pro and more importantly the prospective of 3 new pupils
£35 quid to the course and more importantly 3 possible new golfers
£20 to the r&a egu sgu or such like to invest back into the sport!

If someone taking up the sport isn't prepared to pay £30 for 2 hours golf, which includes tuition abd green fees then they are not serious about taking up golf full stop!

 

[thecraw]

Were they "old" muppets?

No they were both in their 30's I would have guessed.

 

[sev112]

i have HUGE sympathy for the OP

BUT

if he is standing on the tee with 2 guys who are in no rush (clearly from his evidence) and the course/ tee ahead is still empty, then he potentially had enough wherewithal to ask to play through at that point.

Playability test has some value, albeit it is impractical and costly in Europe. i woudl seriously worry about having to play with a committee member as they tend (imho and years of experience of several clubs) have less than average knowledge of rules and etiquette - they think they know teh rules and etiquette but usually they are wrong.
i have played in numerous groups, including among our foum members, where the immortal words (i'm not letting anyone through - they've nowhere to go" - and tehse are lowish handicap experienced players.

My normal 4ball partenr played a medal with a regular board comp winner at our place who is in mid-teens handicap. He (apparently) said in the medal, after one of them hit out of bounds off teh tee "just drop one down the fairway rather than play again off the tee " !!!!!!!

Unless the Pros do the playability test you will feasibly just be ingraining bad habits and misunderstandings.

 

[thecraw]

i have HUGE sympathy for the OP

BUT

if he is standing on the tee with 2 guys who are in no rush (clearly from his evidence) and the course/ tee ahead is still empty, then he potentially had enough wherewithal to ask to play through at that point.

Playability test has some value, albeit it is impractical and costly in Europe. i woudl seriously worry about having to play with a committee member as they tend (imho and years of experience of several clubs) have less than average knowledge of rules and etiquette - they think they know teh rules and etiquette but usually they are wrong.
i have played in numerous groups, including among our foum members, where the immortal words (i'm not letting anyone through - they've nowhere to go" - and tehse are lowish handicap experienced players.

My normal 4ball partenr played a medal with a regular board comp winner at our place who is in mid-teens handicap. He (apparently) said in the medal, after one of them hit out of bounds off teh tee "just drop one down the fairway rather than play again off the tee " !!!!!!!

Unless the Pros do the playability test you will feasibly just be ingraining bad habits and misunderstandings.

Firstly I shouldn't need to ask to play through anyone. Its a common courtesy and its etiquette.

I disagree with its difficult to introduce. Its quite simple. You pay a nominal fee for an input with some sort or regional PGA representative and you sit a test of sorts which you must pass to gain your card. No card no play.

 

[Oddsocks]

I wouldn't say no card no play, I would restrict them to allocated tee times off peak or 9 hole courses. As I said above if they have any intention in getting better and partaking in this sport £30 for a 2hour playing lesson in order to gain their card is pennies, if you spread it over a year it's less than £1 per week

 

[PhilTheFragger]

In addition to the 14 clubs we are allowed to use, can they design into the Golf bag some sort of Holster that can take a 12 bore?

Sounds like it could have come in useful

Fragger

 

[North Mimms]

In addition to the 14 clubs we are allowed to use, can they design into the Golf bag some sort of Holster that can take a 12 bore?

Sounds like it could have come in useful

Fragger

I prefer a Walther PPK...slips neatly into the valuables pocket and doesn't add too much weight to the bag.

 

[munro007]

Great read fella.

 

[sev112]

Firstly I shouldn't need to ask to play through anyone. Its a common courtesy and its etiquette.

No you shoudlnt need to, but it would have saved you a whole load of stress.
Also, as you quite rightly said they didnt know golf etiquette on a variety of issues, and hence if you want to hope they will work out the one bit of etiquette that you were relying on, then that might have been indicative perhaps that you might have been a bit too optimistic
And unfortunately it's not practised enough, even by most regular golfers

Perhaps it's just Karma - you are so miserable to everyone else (including me, who attempted to give you a sympathetic hearing), that the great and good golf gods have sent them down to spite you on purpose

he he

 

[Hobbit]

Education is key to improving the enjoyment for all.

Totally agree, its about education.

Did you educate them? Did you give them 5 minutes of your time to give them a few pointers that might have saved them from grief further down the line?

Someone has to be the first person to tell them they are doing it wrong - sorry but you abdicated your responsibility as a fellow golfer.

Harsh, and flame me for it but that's my take on it.

 

[thecraw]

Totally agree, its about education.

Did you educate them? Did you give them 5 minutes of your time to give them a few pointers that might have saved them from grief further down the line?

Someone has to be the first person to tell them they are doing it wrong - sorry but you abdicated your responsibility as a fellow golfer.

Harsh, and flame me for it but that's my take on it.

Absolute pish.


Our first is over 440 yards. Now I appreciate that they chopped about on the first tee and didn't let me through. I put that down to embarrassment and a wish to get off the tee with someone watching. By the time I had driven off and got to my ball I had to wait again as I could reach the green in two. Therefore I had to allow them time to putt out, replace the flag and walk off.

By the time I had hit, reached the green they were actually walking off the 2nd tee. Therefore I was not in a position to ask them nor would I at this stage as I assumed that they were visitors and they were only one hole into the round.

I "farted about" the first green having a few pitches and putts due to observing these muppets on the second fairway hacking away. As I got onto the 2nd tee they were still in range and I had a good 10 minute wait giving them every opportunity to wave me through to no avail.

Again by the time I had reached my drive they were on the green where I again stood with my hands on my hips hoping they would take the hint for another five plus minutes watching a display that Zoro himself would have been proud of. Again I hit my approach and proceed to walk to the green, again by the time I reach the green they are walking off the 3rd tee already having driven.

Short of shouting them back to explain the error of their ways I was actually never close enough to ask apart from the first tee. Yes I could have sped up play and played right up their rear ends however after 2 holes I hardly think that was a viable and "friendly" approach.

If I was going to play further on or had the time to complete the 9 holes that I planned I would have shouted them when I reached the 4th tee where they were both in trouble off the tee.

 

[In_The_Rough]

I would have just jumped in front after a few holes while they were fannying about looking for the latest lost ball, skip that particular hole and away you go not as if they are gonna catch you up is it. Then mention it to the Pro shop when you get back in.

 

[garyinderry]

i have no idea how a 2 ball could take nearly half an hour a hole. you should have whistled to them and played through. i doubt they would have minded.

 

[malek988]

should see some women their just ask bad, a 4 ball that well known... no notorious at our home club regularly go out and refused to let anyone past, i started one day at the back 9 knowing they were on, finished, and went onto the front 9, and met what can only be described as a massed protest gathering of people including 5 buggies sitting at the 6th tee just ahead, having been stuck behind these women many times before i left my gear with a senior member i chat with at the shop and crossed over to the 8th fairway were the women were, i then said "i know you dont let me play through because you class everyday as women day but you need to see this" and then lead he back to the que that had formed, they fair let people through now, i know we all start somewhere but these women have been at it a while, and i pay a fair nugget for my membership dues so i like to play my game and have some level of consideration shown