I Know it is Tradition but it is Still Annoying

[chrisd]

I saw yesterday something that just summed up Thecraws type of golf club where reasonable standards are allowed to go by the wayside

I popped out to a pay and play course very close to where I work and hit a couple of buckets on their range before doing a little putting practice. As I walked back through their car park there were 2 guys at the back of an open van getting ready to play and one of them was standing in his underpants and just about to put his trousers on - in full view!

This club has quite superb changing facilities 30 yards away, and is a good enough club that a friend who is a current Challenge Tour golfer who has held a European Tour card for a few years, was having a lesson but this is what standards drop to when rules and traditions slip. I am not saying that he wouldn't have been admonished had he been spotted but that he would contemplate doing it was, for me, the issue - he wouldn't do it at my club!


Chris

 

[thecraw]

I saw yesterday something that just summed up Thecraws type of golf club where reasonable standards are allowed to go by the wayside

I popped out to a pay and play course very close to where I work and hit a couple of buckets on their range before doing a little putting practice. As I walked back through their car park there were 2 guys at the back of an open van getting ready to play and one of them was standing in his underpants and just about to put his trousers on - in full view!

This club has quite superb changing facilities 30 yards away, and is a good enough club that a friend who is a current Challenge Tour golfer who has held a European Tour card for a few years, was having a lesson but this is what standards drop to when rules and traditions slip. I am not saying that he wouldn't have been admonished had he been spotted but that he would contemplate doing it was, for me, the issue - he wouldn't do it at my club!


Chris

How do you know that a bumble bee hand't just flown up the poor man's trouser leg and he and to get it out before he get a nasty one on the old fella?

Its not always what it looks and can be wrong to jump to conclusions!

 

[Smiffy]

How do you know that a bumble bee hand't just flown up the poor man's trouser leg and he and to get it out before he get a nasty one on the old fella

 

[chrisd]

How do you know that a bumble bee hand't just flown up the poor man's trouser leg and he and to get it out before he get a nasty one on the old fella?

Its not always what it looks and can be wrong to jump to conclusions!

I suppose the clue may have been that there were two pairs of trousers ..... unless the bumble bee had sh*t on one of the pairs!


Chris

 

[NWJocko]

This thread has been a really good read, but.....

ChrisD and Snelly, your last posts are at best fairly arrogant and also in exactly the same vein as what you are criticising others for, only from the other end of the spectrum.

ChrisD - You go on about respecting rules of a club but were part of a committee that blatantly made up rules as it went along to suit them and ensure only the right standard of person was allowed into "my type of club"?
Is that not a little hypocritical? I don't know your club but it doesn't sound very welcoming if your committee endorses the view that high handicappers would "ruin my weekends golf"!!

I appreciate both sides of the argument and all clubs are different.

 

[thecraw]

Also Chrisd,why is it my type of course? I play my golf at a private course, as far as I'm aware pants are not allowed in the car park but I'll double check my book.

 

[Snelly]

Snelly thanks for the racist slur, I'd advise you edit your post. Where have I once slated a course or made crud racist slurs on any English course. As for your stereotypical suggestion of a tight Scotsman or Glaswegian in your instance I think that sums up your intelligence.

OK, OK, OK - Scotsmen aren't tight and Dodger loves Surrey. I take it all back. You are both really secret Anglophiles - I can see it now! Please don't take this to the race relations board!

And sorry about being unintelligent too - I can't help it. Mind you, at least I can spell crude....

 

[chrisd]

This thread has been a really good read, but.....

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ChrisD - You go on about respecting rules of a club but were part of a committee that blatantly made up rules as it went along to suit them and ensure only the right standard of person was allowed into "my type of club"?
Is that not a little hypocritical? I don't know your club but it doesn't sound very welcoming if your committee endorses the view that high handicappers would "ruin my weekends golf"!!

I appreciate both sides of the argument and all clubs are different.

I have said that this was some years ago and I was involved in its being stopped and my club is now being run in an entirely better way - I did make this point very clearly. Also, a lot of clubs up and down the country did things very differently years back.

Also, Jocko, you don't seem to have picked up the more good humoured sarcasm that has run throught this thread


Chris

 

[Monty_Brown]

As I walked back through their car park there were 2 guys at the back of an open van getting ready to play and one of them was standing in his underpants and just about to put his trousers on - in full view!

Chris

He may actually have forgotten his golf trousers and the Head Pro was making him play in his pants. That was always the rule enforced by psychotic PE teachers at school...

 

[GB72]

I was always against jeans in the club house until a few months ago when a ridiculous situation arose. The plan was to play a round of golf, have something to eat then head off out afterwards. It rained, I was soaked but wanted to go in the clubhouse so what are my options. Go in wearing my wet gear or bring a third set of clothes. To have a quick sandwhich I would have had to change out of my golf gear into some trousers and a shirt for the 20 minutes I was going to spend in the clubhouse then change again into my jeans etc that I was going out in. People then wonder why members are not popping into the clubhouse after a round. Take another example, my wife and I are driving past the club and fancy a bite to eat. Can we do that, no because we both wear jeans most of the time.

If my club wants more revenue, it should allow jeans but is unlikely to ever agree to that as the aging membership do not wear them

 

[thecraw]

I was always against jeans in the club house until a few months ago when a ridiculous situation arose. The plan was to play a round of golf, have something to eat then head off out afterwards. It rained, I was soaked but wanted to go in the clubhouse so what are my options. Go in wearing my wet gear or bring a third set of clothes. To have a quick sandwhich I would have had to change out of my golf gear into some trousers and a shirt for the 20 minutes I was going to spend in the clubhouse then change again into my jeans etc that I was going out in. People then wonder why members are not popping into the clubhouse after a round. Take another example, my wife and I are driving past the club and fancy a bite to eat. Can we do that, no because we both wear jeans most of the time.

If my club wants more revenue, it should allow jeans but is unlikely to ever agree to that as the aging membership do not wear them

!00% behind you on this. As long as the jeans are not ripped or hanging off your backside advertising your boxer shorts logo then they are acceptable IN OUR CLUBHOUSE, not on the golf course and the difference in bar takings has justified the relaxation of club rules. I'm the same as you GB72, I've been out with the Mrs craw and the weans and swung by the golf club on the way home for lunch/bite to eat. Previously it would have been into a pub or cafe for a bar meal or snack.

The clubhouse is also busier now with people watching football etc. Not everyone's cuppa but it certainly works in our environment.

 

[Oddsocks]

how does a debate on captains end up talking about a naked man in a car park.... or jeans in the club house. Random!

 

[GB72]

how does a debate on captains end up talking about a naked man in a car park.... or jeans in the club house. Random!

It has moved on to traditions, attitudes etc.

 

[Oddsocks]

Im only 32 so in relation pretty young when compared to the average golfers age, but im a traditionalist and wish clubs would steer clear on the jeans.

 

[ivan]

how does a debate on captains end up talking about a naked man in a car park.... or jeans in the club house. Random!

i am relatively new to both golf and this forum but was wondering the same thing. also, do threads often degenerate into slanging matches between what appears to be arrogant, insensitive and bigoted people?

i knew that some golfers & golf clubs were a bit old fashioned, men focused, not tolerant of newcomers etc but this subject has surprised me - glad that i have not, as yet, come across such people on the courses where i have played but perhaps i have that "pleasure" to come.

are there Moderators on this forum who are supposed to stop abuse - if so, where are they???

 

[Twire]

i am relatively new to both golf and this forum but was wondering the same thing. also, do threads often degenerate into slanging matches between what appears to be arrogant, insensitive and bigoted people?

i knew that some golfers & golf clubs were a bit old fashioned, men focused, not tolerant of newcomers etc but this subject has surprised me - glad that i have not, as yet, come across such people on the courses where i have played but perhaps i have that "pleasure" to come.

are there Moderators on this forum who are supposed to stop abuse - if so, where are they???

You'll find that lots of threads go off on a tangent, it's a bit like chineese whispers.

As for slanging matches? All I can see is a heated debate, nothing more. If you do see abuse, or are offended by posts on this forum use the little black triangle at the bottom left of the post and that will send a report direct to the moderators.

 

[DaveM]

As of last year at my club they relaxed the no jeans in the club house rule. Mainly as many of the members old and young, complained that they passed the club on the way home from work. But had to go home change then come back to the club, just to see what time they were out at the weekend. Seems to work ok. In fact most only wear jeans when they call in on passing. Generally you see no jeans in the club house. No jeans are allowed on the course. Oh and no trainer type shoes anywhere.

 

[RichardC]

!00% behind you on this. As long as the jeans are not ripped or hanging off your backside advertising your boxer shorts logo then they are acceptable IN OUR CLUBHOUSE, not on the golf course and the difference in bar takings has justified the relaxation of club rules. I'm the same as you GB72, I've been out with the Mrs craw and the weans and swung by the golf club on the way home for lunch/bite to eat. Previously it would have been into a pub or cafe for a bar meal or snack.

The clubhouse is also busier now with people watching football etc. Not everyone's cuppa but it certainly works in our environment.

I have been on the other side of this arrangement.

My old club relaxed the dress code in the clubhouse and for functions. After about a year I kept seeing members on the course in dark jeans and a few months after that I even saw people in full denim (can't think of another term). I have since left this club as it is now more of a cheap pay and play/pub than a golf club.

I know you may ask why nothing was done about this!! They tried to pull people into line and some of the people in question decided to walk. After a few had walked they then decided that they would now not try and stop the practice in case they lost even more members, and so it began.

Im not saying that all clubs that change dress codes will end up like this, but I would hate to be a member of another club that went the same way.

 

[User20205]

There is no real abuse on this tread just a bit of usual banter.

That said, I enjoy what you post Snelly, but you are stuck in some 1950’s themed Famous Five parody.
The position of Captain should carry no respect, the individual in the position should carry respect or otherwise. If you like &respect the Captain let him play through. If he’s a knob treat him as such.

I have to agree with The Craw and Dodger on this. Some of the rules in certain golf clubs have no place in a modern society. Many need to drag themselves into the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] Century. There is a fear that if you relax the rules then you will be over run by beer swilling trouserless louts.That’s just not true, it sounds a bit like a Daily Mail argument against immigration to me.

I for one would not join a club that demanded deference to theCaptain, or stipulated that only handicaps below 21 could have a 7 day membership. It’s myopic, anachronistic nonsense (you can add joining fees to that also)

There are a handful of clubs in Dorset, that I enjoy playing,but would never join. They have the atmosphere of a Victorian boys public school. I expect to get told off at every turn for breaking some 100 year old bye law!

 

[brendy]

I for one would not join a club that demanded deference to theCaptain, or stipulated that only handicaps below 21 could have a 7 day membership. It’s myopic, anachronistic nonsense (you can add joining fees to that also)

You are a 22 handicapper aren't you?