I Know it is Tradition but it is Still Annoying

[stevie_r]

[/LIST][h=4]Sandeman Bar and Restaurant[/h]

• Smart casual wear, including golf attire, is acceptable.
• Tailored shorts may be worn up to 1900.

[h=4]Solent Bar[/h]

• Clean and tidy casual/golf attire is acceptable.
• Footwear must be worn at all times, but trainers are not allowed.
  Open leather sandals may be worn in the Solent Bar by visiting German Tourists.

Fixed that bit for you
and who on earth wears flip flops at their club apart from getting to and from the shower?

 

[Hobbit]

All the social events at my club are over subscribed, and yes, similar to other clubs it is the same people who go to them. But then they support the club, so why should they not be looked after? Put the sheet up at a different time, maybe they can't then go, and some newbies get on the list. Fine if they keep going to the social events, but if it is just a one off, and the normal crowd get the hump, and don't now support them, then it dies. Why chance it, when at the moment, these events are rammed.

Me, I'd like to go to the Christmas one, or may be new year. But I would not go to any others, so I don't really feel I should be trying to put my name down, as others who have supported the club through the year should in my view get first dibs.

Murph, we experienced this in the past, and received complaints because of it. Our remedy was to ask the complainant, or any of his friends, to organise some 'do's'. We also added a bit of positive discrimination and said that he could have the first 10 spaces before the notice went up. The benefit has been we have different types of events organised by a number of people, and its also meant a decent cross section of members getting to know each other.

 

[harvey4banger]

Fixed that bit for you
and who on earth wears flip flops at their club apart from getting to and from the shower?

Last year it said "Open leather sandals may be worn in the Solent Bar, with or without socks" LOL

Oh re flip flops, common sight at my club, but I think it could be my fault for starting that off

 

[SatchFan]

Love playing Hayling Island GC, but when it comes to old duffers and rules, this is the place. A member grassed me up to the pro last time, for not having wide enough wheels on my trolley, Clicgear, go figure. Here are some of their club house rules, love that you can wear open leather sandles in the Solent bar, think thats where all the hip and trendy golfers hang out

[h=4]The Clubhouse[/h]

• Players are requested to freshen up before using the Clubhouse. Golfing dress as defined above is permitted in the Clubhouse provided it is dry, clean and tidy. Golfing rainwear or outdoor clothing is not acceptable in the bar and restaurant areas.
• Within the Clubhouse, ‘closed’ shoes are to be worn at all times. Trainers and flip flops are not allowed. Appropriate footwear may be worn without socks in the bar areas. Golf shoes should not be worn on the balcony, and are only permitted in the Professional Shop or locker rooms.
• Hats and blue denim jeans are not allowed in the Clubhouse.

[h=4]Sandeman Bar and Restaurant[/h]

• Smart casual wear, including golf attire, is acceptable.
• Tailored shorts may be worn up to 1900.

[h=4]Solent Bar[/h]

• Clean and tidy casual/golf attire is acceptable.
• Footwear must be worn at all times, but trainers are not allowed. Open leather sandals may be worn in the Solent Bar during British Summer Time.

Harvey, couldn't agree more. Great course but horrible social experience. Quite a few ex-military types such as Colonel Armhole and Major Dick floating around making you feel uncomfortable and unwelcome. So many traditions and rules upheld to the n'th degree. I accept the rules are there but not a nice place to visit. Highly unrecommended.

 

[richart]

Played Hayling a few times. Never had any problems as I know what I wear will be acceptable at all clubs. I do check the rules regarding Jacket and Ties at the clubs I play at, but that's it. My attitude is that I am not going to make the effort to go and play a course and use the clubhouse facilities, and then be turned away for breaking club rules. It also helps that I have not owned a pair of sandals since I was in primary school, my flip flops are for beach use only, and would never dream of wearing shorts anywhere near a golf course.

 

[Smiffy]

Love playing Hayling Island GC, but when it comes to old duffers and rules, this is the place. A member grassed me up to the pro last time, for not having wide enough wheels on my trolley, Clicgear, go figure. Here are some of their club house rules, love that you can wear open leather sandles in the Solent bar, think thats where all the hip and trendy golfers hang out

The Clubhouse

• Players are requested to freshen up before using the Clubhouse. Golfing dress as defined above is permitted in the Clubhouse provided it is dry, clean and tidy. Golfing rainwear or outdoor clothing is not acceptable in the bar and restaurant areas.
• Within the Clubhouse, ‘closed’ shoes are to be worn at all times. Trainers and flip flops are not allowed. Appropriate footwear may be worn without socks in the bar areas. Golf shoes should not be worn on the balcony, and are only permitted in the Professional Shop or locker rooms.
• Hats and blue denim jeans are not allowed in the Clubhouse.

Sandeman Bar and Restaurant

• Smart casual wear, including golf attire, is acceptable.
• Tailored shorts may be worn up to 1900.

Solent Bar

• Clean and tidy casual/golf attire is acceptable.
• Footwear must be worn at all times, but trainers are not allowed. Open leather sandals may be worn in the Solent Bar during British Summer Time.

Don't see a problem with any of that.
With what I "normally" wear on a golf course, I would be able to wander around hither and tither without fear of being reprimanded.
It's only a problem if I decide to make it a problem

 

[richart]

Can I change my comments as Smiffy has agreed with me.

 

[sev112]

Can I ask if any of the forumers would not sign a job description/mission statement document if they were about to embark on a role within a club committee?

Job descriptions - best thing since sliced bread; very useful tool from a good manager who want his staff to be absolutely clear on what he expects and needs from them.

Mission Statements - worst thing since sliced bread; common tool of a poor manager who doesnt know what needs doing, how or by when, but wants a stick to hit all the "non-performing staff" with when his suprisingly poor management doesnt produce any profitable business

 

[Dodger]

Job descriptions - best thing since sliced bread; very useful tool from a good manager who want his staff to be absolutely clear on what he expects and needs from them.

Mission Statements - worst thing since sliced bread; common tool of a poor manager who doesnt know what needs doing, how or by when, but wants a stick to hit all the "non-performing staff" with when his suprisingly poor management doesnt produce any profitable business

All those major companies must have some crap folk in charge eh?

 

[chrisd]

Is the lack or reply to my question down to fear? Are people scared to say no they would not sign?

As for putting people off....if they are unwilling to sign then these people are not the ones you need on your committee.

It's a shame more people have not taken time to express their opinions to my question though......

I have never see a mission statement at any club I have belonged to, golf or otherwise. I can't say whether or not I would refuse to sign one until I have read one. I can't see that our club needed one as I felt we all knew the direction that we were going in and why. The club was soundly run and still is. I am not sure that the unwillingness to sign one means that you don't need those people on a committee any more than signing one is a mark of endorsment.

The fact that you say you are preparing one for your club suggests that you are biased in favour but I honestly dont think that at my club it would be worth the paper it was written on


Chris

 

[SocketRocket]

Harvey, couldn't agree more. Great course but horrible social experience. Quite a few ex-military types such as Colonel Armhole and Major Dick floating around making you feel uncomfortable and unwelcome. So many traditions and rules upheld to the n'th degree. I accept the rules are there but not a nice place to visit. Highly unrecommended.

Is Major Eyeswater still there? Believe he was a big flap in the mudgards.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Not sure what sort of mission statement you'd want from a private members club. Can sort of see it if you are a pay and play or muni and want to have some sort of corporate image to attact societies. I'm another that agrees with Richart and Smiffy though. If you are visiting another club it only takes a few seconds to check out the dress rules online or if you can't find it using the old fashioned telephone speaking thingy and asking them. Better a bit of time in advance than being asked to leave and embarrased when you get there.

 

[harvey4banger]

Harvey, couldn't agree more. Great course but horrible social experience. Quite a few ex-military types such as Colonel Armhole and Major Dick floating around making you feel uncomfortable and unwelcome. So many traditions and rules upheld to the n'th degree. I accept the rules are there but not a nice place to visit. Highly unrecommended.

The thing that amazed me about the whole incident, was I couldnt figure out where the hell the guy had appeared from. It was like he had a little bush in the car park he hid behind, just waiting for someone to commit a minor rule infringment. Then BAM err you cant do that, I'm going to see the pro and of he scuttled with a little skip in his step to grass me up, with a little smile on his face. Knowing today, he had saved the club from the brink of disaster and their strong traditions had been up held for another day :lol:


SO SAD

 

[Snelly]

I can't see anything wrong with the Hayling rules. And I agree with Richart and Smiffy too.


As for a golf club needing a mission statement, words fail me. Actually they don't.

What a complete, total and utter waste of time for all concerned. Just think for a second, what could the mission statement for a private members golf club say?

"Acme GC - our mission is to provide our members with a great golfing experience and welcoming clubhouse environment."

Either this or a variation of this theme. Anything else would seem a bit daft and pointless to me??

Maybe not though, perhaps you can be more ambitious?

"Acme GC - our mission is to promote and end to violence in the world, to nurture the young people that are our future, to find a cure for cancer and stop global warming, all through the vehicle of our great golfing experience and welcoming clubhouse environment."

A golf club mission statement? Seems like a committee man from middle management in the public sector has been on one too many management training courses. Just ridiculous.

 

[MadAdey]

I must agree with what people are saying... Why do you need a mission statement. Surely the job of every club is to provide the best golfing experience they can to both members and visitors. Do not need a mission statement for people to turn to, as every club has the same intentions. Well they should do anyway.

 

[Dodger]

I must agree with what people are saying... Why do you need a mission statement. Surely the job of every club is to provide the best golfing experience they can to both members and visitors. Do not need a mission statement for people to turn to, as every club has the same intentions. Well they should do anyway.

Intentions....exactly.

 

[bobmac]

Surely it will help if you are all bluesky thinking and singing from the same hymn sheet, mission statement-wise?

Disclaimer.....I have no idea what that means.

 

[Dodger]

Surely it will help if you are all bluesky thinking and singing from the same hymn sheet, mission statement-wise?

Disclaimer.....I have no idea what that means.

It does sound great tho Bob!

 

[MadAdey]

Intentions....exactly.

Exactly Dodger...Intenetions...

Like I have mentioned before you do get people on a committee that have their own agenda and their intentions are self motivated. Not exactly putting the what is best for the club first. But would those types listen to a mission statement if you did have them?

 

[bluewolf]

How about this for management speak. I got a phone call one night from one of our directors. He wanted to meet myself and my engineering manager for a "3 way cross fertilisation of ideas". I kid you not. Note to anyone who speaks like this. When you put the phone down, people are laughing at you. And all respect is lost forever and ever.