How would you penalise a player who fails to shout FORE?

[clubchamp98]

Take away the clause on the back of the ticket that exonerates them if they hit somebody.
That makes them just like us then.
If they thought they could end up in court they might shout fore.

How many other people in work would not shout if their direct actions put somebody in danger?
It’s just not acceptable

 

[IanM]

You won't change anything without penalising them...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But they are literally there to watch the golf to be fair, so if it takes them by surprise, what the hell were they doing?

They might be in a position were they can see 2, 3 or even more parts of the course, so could easily be watching action on the green with their back to the Tee.

 

[clubchamp98]

I also think the PGA and other bodies should not let people congregate where they know the pros land the ball .
So 260 to 330 should be no spectators.
Especially on dog legs where they are cutting corners.

 

[Beedee]

A penalty shot is it lands over the ropes and there's no shout.
A penalty shot if it lands in the fairway and they do shout (crying wolf over every drive just in case won't help anyone)
And make all stands no-play zones with no free drop. If you can't spot and then avoid something the size of a hotel you shouldn't be playing in a major.

 

[Orikoru]

They might be in a position were they can see 2, 3 or even more parts of the course, so could easily be watching action on the green with their back to the Tee.

Fair enough. I wasn't exonerating the players of course - they should absolutely shout fore, since you don't lose anything by doing so, and if it gives someone one more second to get out the way, it's worth it. But the crowd do need to know the risks and have their wits about them as well, which I don't think is always the case.

A slightly different solution to punishing players, why not just have the marshals that are on the tee boxes shout fore if it's going left or right? You could even give them megaphones. Ultimately in terms of safety of the fans, it doesn't matter who shouts as long as somebody does.

 

[Ser Shankalot]

But they are literally there to watch the golf to be fair, so if it takes them by surprise, what the hell were they doing?

I agree with this. At a professional tour event, spectators are watching 100 elite players smashing hard little objects at 180 mph over 300 yards. And they are watching it whilst partially standing on the field of play itself, even if it's in rough or trees. And the balls could be coming from multiple directions if on adjacent fairways or the group behind. If you're going to put yourself in danger, then better keep your wits about you. Not everything is someone else's fault. Bit like watching F1 while standing next to the track.

It's a breach of etiquette to not shout, I agree. But it's not the player's fault if someone is hit.

 

[Neilds]

But they are literally there to watch the golf to be fair, so if it takes them by surprise, what the hell were they doing?

Watching another fairway? Not all views are for just one fairway

 

[SatchFan]

If Bryson hits a wonky one is anyone really going to hear him from nearly a quarter of a mile away?

 

[richart]

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If Bryson hits a wonky one is anyone really going to hear him from nearly a quarter of a mile away?

Monty could hear someone talking three holes away, so I am pretty sure you could hear a shout from 400 yards. ?

 

[sunshine]

I've heard players say that they don't want to shout fore in case they distract other groups where a player might be mid-swing. Sounds a bit of a weak excuse, although if you're watching a cricket match and a batsman hits a six into the crowd you don't expect him to shout fore, same for any other sport where the ball might hit spectators, so the onus is really on the fans.

I would propose a scoring system:
1 point for hitting it outside the ropes into a spectator area
4 points for hitting a spectator after it has bounced
6 points for hitting a spectator on the full
10 points for hitting someone you know (er like your dad for example)
20 points for hitting someone shouting mashed potato or other inane babble

Add up the points, create a league table. Players have to donate money to their chosen charity based on end of season total.

 

[YandaB]

Should that not be -20 points for hitting the mashed potato people?

 

[clubchamp98]

I've heard players say that they don't want to shout fore in case they distract other groups where a player might be mid-swing. Sounds a bit of a weak excuse, although if you're watching a cricket match and a batsman hits a six into the crowd you don't expect him to shout fore, same for any other sport where the ball might hit spectators, so the onus is really on the fans.

I would propose a scoring system:
1 point for hitting it outside the ropes into a spectator area
4 points for hitting a spectator after it has bounced
6 points for hitting a spectator on the full
10 points for hitting someone you know (er like your dad for example)
20 points for hitting someone shouting mashed potato or other inane babble

Add up the points, create a league table. Players have to donate money to their chosen charity based on end of season total.

Thing is with Cricket and footy is your all looking the same way .
And there is only one ball.
Golfers are all over the place and your surrounded.

I have been hit .no shout. Out completely woke in ambulance.
Head scan but all ok ,it’s not very nice head was spinning like I was drunk for days.

It dosnt take much to shout really does it?
Fines don’t work on multi millionaires penalty shots do.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Impossible tp police at an amateur level.
On a few occasions I have not shouted fore when I can see my shot is going towards but will to miss the golfer.
When asked why I did not shout I replied I could see it was going to miss and if I had shouted fore you might have run into it.

Not easy at Pro level
At Carnoustie my daughter was hit by a Paul Casey ball when she was heavily pregnant.
Stopped it going into the gorse.
He hit a socket, she [and I] were in a hollow so he could not possibly have seen us.
Glancing blow to the shoulder which did not even leave a bruise.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Don't know what that line through my post thing happened

 

[Blue in Munich]

Should that not be -20 points for hitting the mashed potato people?

-5 with the ball, -50 for right between the ears with an iron.

 

[Blue in Munich]

But they are literally there to watch the golf to be fair, so if it takes them by surprise, what the hell were they doing?

They might be in a position were they can see 2, 3 or even more parts of the course, so could easily be watching action on the green with their back to the Tee.

Ball coming out of the sun, not sure where the shout came from so if it affects them or not, may be the first time they have been to a tournament so don't realise quite how far pros hit a ball, might not pick up the flight of the ball. There are so many reasons why they might not realise that they need to take avoiding action.

 

[Sats]

So difficult to come up with a workable solution. Either they are draconian or paper tiger in their approaches. All golfers have a responsibility to ensure the health and safety of others on the course - which is why I have golf insurance. Funny how PGA events circumvent their responsibilities by printing on tickets that they are not responsible for any injuries sustained whilst spectating.

The pro's game is slightly different to us playing on the links so lets examine a few details;

• The noise, even the background noise at an event is considerably louder than on the average course.
• Players can hit the ball on average 290 -340 yards with a drive. Now even a shout may not reach the crowd effectively.
• The spectators also have a responsibility to their own safety and anyone that's gone to an event can admit that times people do not pay attention to what's happening.

Perhaps the stewards and marshals can help with wayward shots, for example a shout and signal from the pro gets relayed further down the course so it's clear what's happening. Or maybe a loudspeaker announcement for a fore right or left?

Punishment could be a two stoke penalty for failing to indicate a wayward shot - that penalty could mean the difference between winning and outside the top ten. I mean there's a penalty for taking longer than 40 seconds to take your shot so why not?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I agree there should be a shout of fore.
However, it has been a long time since I have seen a Pro tournament live.
Would a shout carry as far as the ball? 300 plus yds?
Someone suggested a Marshall with a megaphone. Not as quirky as it might sound. With all the chatter etc that may be going on with the spectators, some of whom are doing anything but spectating, it may be the only way they get warned.
I also would not have temp. marquees etc as backstops to get a free ( nice) drop from. Hit the marquee, penalty stroke.?

 

[Slab]

Just before they putt... Smack their clackerbag like its a glockenspiel... sorted!