Swango1980
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First and foremost: This has nothing to do with a desire to punish players for an NR (I know some clubs do, ours doesn't and I personally don't want to punish players for having an NR). However, England Golf have heavily recommended clubs to discipline players who NR, because it can have a much more profound impact on a players handicap under WHS than it would under our current CONGU system. So, if this is going to be the case, I'm interested how other clubs deal with this, or will deal with it, so that it can help us take a reasonable approach in what is bound to be a sensitive subject for some.
Two questions:
1. What do golf clubs currently do about No Returns in Club Competitions?
2. If nothing is done (except for hopefully adding in the no return so the player gets 0.1 back), how do clubs plan to deal with No Returns once WHS is in play?
From the WHS Workshop, if a player No Returns, a Penalty Score should be applied if the reason to quit was not valid. However, the exact procedure is a bit woolly, and the slides provided don't give any real detail. There is the following to consider:
1. If a player plays at least 9 holes, those scores should be entered, and then for all scores where no score recorded, I believe the advice was to put a penalty score of +1 over par (or nett par, can't remember)
2. If a players plays at least 9 holes, but then no returns and doesn't submit card, their scores should be found out, for example on the card they were marking for another player, and entered
3. If a player plays at least 9 holes, but then no returns and for some reason you can't discover any of their holes scores, I presume you just have to put a penalty score for every hole
4. If a player no returns before they play 9 holes, that round should not be used by handicapping. Does this mean we need to distinguish between a player who just gave up on front 9 because he started really badly and was close to the car park and quit, compared to low figure handicapper who wants to stay low, and decides before finishing the 9th that he is playing a poor round, so just walks in (i.e. at the moment, both players get 0.1 back, whereas under WHS score disregarded)
England Golf, therefore, seem to have put the onus on clubs to implement a disciplinary procedure for no returns, so I am trying to figure out if anybody has, or will have plans in place for this? We don't have an issue at the moment, as we know a player will get 0.1 back (and never known a player to no return because they were playing well and trying to avoid a cut, but maybe it happens very rarely). Therefore, no discipline procedure. However, we'll certainly need to get to grips with it before November, and I'd like us to implement something most other clubs will be doing, as I don't want members to think we are being overly strict and cause some discontent (i.e. a player walks off before 9 holes, potentially because he doesn't want a handicap increase, but he could try and say he had hayfever or had a little injury. He might kick off if we discipline him for that, thus anybody could make any sort of excuse to avoid any action)
Two questions:
1. What do golf clubs currently do about No Returns in Club Competitions?
2. If nothing is done (except for hopefully adding in the no return so the player gets 0.1 back), how do clubs plan to deal with No Returns once WHS is in play?
From the WHS Workshop, if a player No Returns, a Penalty Score should be applied if the reason to quit was not valid. However, the exact procedure is a bit woolly, and the slides provided don't give any real detail. There is the following to consider:
1. If a player plays at least 9 holes, those scores should be entered, and then for all scores where no score recorded, I believe the advice was to put a penalty score of +1 over par (or nett par, can't remember)
2. If a players plays at least 9 holes, but then no returns and doesn't submit card, their scores should be found out, for example on the card they were marking for another player, and entered
3. If a player plays at least 9 holes, but then no returns and for some reason you can't discover any of their holes scores, I presume you just have to put a penalty score for every hole
4. If a player no returns before they play 9 holes, that round should not be used by handicapping. Does this mean we need to distinguish between a player who just gave up on front 9 because he started really badly and was close to the car park and quit, compared to low figure handicapper who wants to stay low, and decides before finishing the 9th that he is playing a poor round, so just walks in (i.e. at the moment, both players get 0.1 back, whereas under WHS score disregarded)
England Golf, therefore, seem to have put the onus on clubs to implement a disciplinary procedure for no returns, so I am trying to figure out if anybody has, or will have plans in place for this? We don't have an issue at the moment, as we know a player will get 0.1 back (and never known a player to no return because they were playing well and trying to avoid a cut, but maybe it happens very rarely). Therefore, no discipline procedure. However, we'll certainly need to get to grips with it before November, and I'd like us to implement something most other clubs will be doing, as I don't want members to think we are being overly strict and cause some discontent (i.e. a player walks off before 9 holes, potentially because he doesn't want a handicap increase, but he could try and say he had hayfever or had a little injury. He might kick off if we discipline him for that, thus anybody could make any sort of excuse to avoid any action)
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