No Returns - Due to WHS Guidance

[ger147]

Never a chance of you wining the comp anyway, but at least you wont holding the course up

Yet to play a season without winning at least 1, 3 winner's medals from last season.

How's your back getting on, science still knocking you back re. donating it??

 

[williamalex1]

Yet to play a season without winning at least 1, 3 winner's medals from last season.

How's your back getting on, science still knocking you back re. donating it?? [/QUOTE
I'm on the donation register, but nobody wants my sperm or my stiff back, maybe I should stop taking the Viagra

 

[ger147]

No because the R&A rules of golf come in to effect first and your are DQd (in medal play) for failing to hole out.

Penalty scores are only added for handicap purposes.

Apologies Jim, missed this post in among the others being added. So re. NR'ing on 1 hole, either by accident or thru choice, no change from CONGU to WHS.

Still not sure about the net par idea for holes not being played. I know it's for for handicap purposes only but doesn't seem quite right to me.

 

[Swango1980]

Apologies Jim, missed this post in among the others being added. So re. NR'ing on 1 hole, either by accident or thru choice, no change from CONGU to WHS.

Still not sure about the net par idea for holes not being played. I know it's for for handicap purposes only but doesn't seem quite right to me.

Yes ger, as mentioned previously (again my post might have been missed), no change from CONGU to WHS in the respect that, you are DQ'ed from competition, but score still counts to handicap.

I think the nett parr idea, is that, if you physically haven't played the hole, you can't simply say the player would have had a disaster (as in a nett double bogey or worse now). So, a penalty score of nett par is added to basically assume that, the player made no gain or loss on their handicap (this may be a similar method in how they work out 9 hole handicaps, where the imaginary 9 holes not played you are assumed to have scores 18 points, although as we don't have a 9 hole course, no expert in it).

If the NR is because you tried to play the hole, but had a nightmare, then the penalty score, I presume, would be nett double bogey rather than nett par.

It is these things I'm trying to get my head around now, so I can be a step ahead of the golfers at my club by the time we go live. Otherwise, it'd look pretty poor if players start coming across these issues in November, and I the handicap secretary is equally in the dark because I've not bothered looking into it before November.

 

[lex!]

I am in agreement that the score forwarded for handicap on a NR is still a mystery under WHS, and the rep from England Golf was very vague about this under questioning at our workshop.
All I wanted to know was what score goes onto the card for the midnight calculation. Conflicting advice was either, don't put it in, apply a penalty, or leave it and no score holes go in as net par.

 

[jim8flog]

Apologies Jim, missed this post in among the others being added. So re. NR'ing on 1 hole, either by accident or thru choice, no change from CONGU to WHS.

Still not sure about the net par idea for holes not being played. I know it's for for handicap purposes only but doesn't seem quite right to me.

I am one who was a little confused at the workshop as the penalty appears to be an increasing scale depending on the number of NRs on the card. It is one that I decided I would wait for the official handbook to be issued to get my head round. Particularly as it will probably all be done by the computer software and not something to have work through as the handicap secretary.

 

[Jimbof]

I think there's a bit of misunderstanding around Penalty Scores. These are only submitted when a card has't been physically returned and the reason for non-return of the card is not valid - an example of a non-valid reason is to keep the handicap low or to try and keep the handicap high. The Committee should consider submitting a Penalty Score (i.e. the full card) such as a score equal to the current handicap index in the case where the player is trying to increase their handicap, or a higher score if the player is trying to keep the handicap lower. The disciplinary approach is an option for persistent offenders, not in the case where the odd hole is not completed.

The 'normal' NR, where a hole (or holes) has not been completed it is treated as a Nett Double Bogey if the hole was started or a Nett Par if the hole was not started. This latter approach is new (for us) in WHS but it is there to take account of those jurisdications where Matchplay is an acceptable score and the match is completed earlier than the 18th (e.g. 5&4, where the last 4 holes are scored as Nett Par). There will be some approach implemented within the software to indicate that a hole was not started and thus the overnight processing for handicaps will recognise that and adjust accordingly.

This latter approach does, then, allow for less than 18 holes played (and more than 10) be acceptable for handicap purposes - I am aware of a least 1 club who run 15 hole competitions, but only the 1st 9 count for handicapping under the current rules (i.e. a 9-hole competition under CONGU rules). They will be able to use all 15 holes with the last 3 counte as Nett Pars for handicap purposes).