Her Majesty's Lot at it again

[Deleted member 16999]

As daft as it may seem, me and Missis T were once pulled over by the police coming back from the gym. ( long time ago). Anyway the rozzer asked me to wind down the window. I did. That's it, end of story. Why would you not?

And if you hadn't you'd accept a response like the video?
Other posters have said we've no idea what pressure that PC faced or was under, maybe the guy in the car had had a bad experience with the police and was frightened, hopefully the truth will come out, one thing for sure, they need sharper knives😃

 

[NorfolkShaun]

While the response from the police officer appears to be OTT it does appear the guy was making an effort to push him as far as he could.

Further to this is the guy videoing this with a mobile phone? Last time i heard it was an offence to use a mobile phone being the wheel of a car. I know someone who got three points stuck in traffic with the ignition off.....

 

[Foxholer]

The report says 6, up 2 from the previous year, my understanding of a firearms operation means the Police decided they needed firearms on scene, I would class the operation/incident as the same thing.
Overall Police numbers have been cut so understandible all areas suffered.
Still not good that we are looking at an average of 41 Firearms operations per day.

Sorry. I forgot to modify that figure - I originally grabbed the previous years report! Still a tiny number (thankfully)! And it was 'up from 2' btw!

I'd strongly suggest that 'armed incident' was one where a 'perp' was in possession of a firearm - not necessarily the Police!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So what about the thousands of local village policemen or in towns where they have no incidents requiring firearms ? Get them all tooled up as well

There is no need for a fully armed police force -not seen one justification for it. Why on earth do you need to have every single policeman carrying a gun when there is no need or call for it. That would actually scare more people than make them safe.

Areas where there is a need have those sections on standby ready to deploy when needed.

Really did say in my opinion and it's one that won't change, 15,000 Operations and weapons discharged 6 times, excellent ratio, but 41 a day is bad imo.
I wonder if Hungerford or Cumbria would of had such a large loss of life if those local coppers on scene had been armed.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry. I forgot to modify that figure - I originally grabbed the previous years report! Still a tiny number (thankfully)! And it was 'up from 2' btw!

I'd strongly suggest that 'armed incident' was one where a 'perp' was in possession of a firearm - not necessarily the Police!

Incident or operation, they would only carry out an armed response were they deemed it neccessary and believed or had proof the "perp" was armed. Pretty sure the only armed people on the Tube incident when the brazilian was shot was the police.

 

[Old Skier]

I'm not in favour but as we never normally see a copper it wouldn't help anyway.

Not sure we're the idea that arming the boys in blue would increase the amount of firearms the baddies would be carrying though. Doesn't appear to be an issue in Germany were all cops are armed. It's just an argument used by the anti gun brigade with no real facts to back it up.

 

[Hobbit]

Really did say in my opinion and it's one that won't change, 15,000 Operations and weapons discharged 6 times, excellent ratio, but 41 a day is bad imo.
I wonder if Hungerford or Cumbria would of had such a large loss of life if those local coppers on scene had been armed.

That's speculation though. You could quite easily spin it on its head and say that if the Police were fully armed, more criminals would be armed and there would be more incidents of criminals using them.

Its also interesting to read what the stats are for European countries where the Police are armed. The U.K. has less incidents than the countries where Police are armed.

 

[Foxholer]

...I wonder if Hungerford or Cumbria would of had such a large loss of life if those local coppers on scene had been armed.

Unfortunately, Yes - imo! And Dunblane and others would still have happened too!

By the time (armed) Police get involved, it's way past the point where such events can be prevented - merely limited at best!

Look at how many such incidents continue to happen on the US - admittedly a larger country.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Unfortunately, Yes - imo! And Dunblane and others would still have happened too!

By the time (armed) Police get involved, it's way past the point where such events can be prevented - merely limited at best!

Look at how many such incidents continue to happen on the US - admittedly a larger country.

Or not as in both instances un-armed cops were involved in the early stages.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That's speculation though. You could quite easily spin it on its head and say that if the Police were fully armed, more criminals would be armed and there would be more incidents of criminals using them.

Its also interesting to read what the stats are for European countries where the Police are armed. The U.K. has less incidents than the countries where Police are armed.

It's all speculation though, living in Germany for a long time and visiting Countries were police are armed I always felt safer and they get way more respect, except the US (they buck every trend) with the right to bear arms.

 

[Old Skier]

Its also interesting to read what the stats are for European countries where the Police are armed. The U.K. has less incidents than the countries where Police are armed.

Do share

 

[Pin-seeker]

Let's say all police officers were to carry guns.
When would it be appropriate for the officer to actually use the gun?

 

[Old Skier]

Let's say all police officers were to carry guns.
When would it be appropriate for the officer to actually use the gun?

Theres the rub, it would be a split second judgement and they have to take into account the forces rules of engagement. Not easy and unfortunately at times will result in the wrong call being made.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Let's say all police officers were to carry guns.
When would it be appropriate for the officer to actually use the gun?

They have a very tight and strict guidelines they must follow and are trained to an extremely high standard.

 

[Midnight]

The report says 6, up 2 from the previous year, my understanding of a firearms operation means the Police decided they needed firearms on scene, I would class the operation/incident as the same thing.
Overall Police numbers have been cut so understandible all areas suffered.
Still not good that we are looking at an average of 41 Firearms operations per day.

I completely agree that 41 ops a day is not good , however some firearm deployments can be in response to people with machetes, axe and various other weapons. The reason for this is a less lethal option can be used\thought about.

 

[Foxholer]

Do share

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Compare UK to France!

UK similar to Germany

Swaziland, Guatemala, Salvador and Colombia and Jamaica are definitely places to be avoided!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I completely agree that 41 ops a day is not good , however some firearm deployments can be in response to people with machetes, axe and various other weapons. The reason for this is a less lethal option can be used\thought about.

It's the officers responding my loyalty ls with, the pressure and stress responding to these incidents must be a nightmare for some.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Let's say all police officers were to carry guns.
When would it be appropriate for the officer to actually use the gun?

I'd say anything from shoplifting, begging and fare dodging upwards. Several benefits to this approach. It would act as a deterrent. It would reduce the prison population. And as we keep getting told that the country is full we would also reduce the total population of the country as well.

 

[Midnight]

It's the officers responding my loyalty ls with, the pressure and stress responding to these incidents must be a nightmare for some.

Again mate, you are right, the officers normally have to try and contain the situation until specialist units I.e firearms,dogs,force support units are deployed to it.
In regards to the TNG implications of all Police being armed, it would be a nightmare with the amount of officers who are actually on the street, to be able to get them through the TNG and not compromise the cover that is out there.

For your info mate, I am in the camp of being armed, but I can also see and accept the arguments for it not happening at the moment.

 

[Fish]

Again mate, you are right, the officers normally have to try and contain the situation until specialist units I.e firearms,dogs,force support units are deployed to it.
In regards to the TNG implications of all Police being armed, it would be a nightmare with the amount of officers who are actually on the street, to be able to get them through the TNG and not compromise the cover that is out there.

For your info mate, I am in the camp of being armed, but I can also see and accept the arguments for it not happening at the moment.

Your armed enough with a club in your hand :rofl: