Her Majesty's Lot at it again

[Old Skier]

Maybe it's best to let the Police inquiry finish before we all jump to conclusions.

Come on, we are only on page 12.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

What I really enjoy is how many young black males we have on here that can completely relate to how the innocent man felt in this situation.

Or could it be that everyone saying "just get out" has no idea what it's like. And that includes me. But I do know that black people are 28 times more likely to be stopped and searched. (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/12/police-stop-and-search-black-people), albeit the study is from 2012. So as a white middle class male, I'm probably not qualified to comment on how the man should have felt, or what he should have done.

What I cam absolutely 100% clear on, is that the police officer should in no way have acted like that. Scratching a window with a pen knife? Ludicrous. If the young man was such a threat, why was the other officer not getting involved?

 

[Tashyboy]

What I really enjoy is how many young black males we have on here that can completely relate to how the innocent man felt in this situation.

Or could it be that everyone saying "just get out" has no idea what it's like. And that includes me. But I do know that black people are 28 times more likely to be stopped and searched. (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/12/police-stop-and-search-black-people), albeit the study is from 2012. So as a white middle class male, I'm probably not qualified to comment on how the man should have felt, or what he should have done.

What I cam absolutely 100% clear on, is that the police officer should in no way have acted like that. Scratching a window with a pen knife? Ludicrous. If the young man was such a threat, why was the other officer not getting involved?

If someone has been asked 28 times to get out of his car, he has had plenty of practice. I am a middle aged possibly middle class white male and I have been pulled up by the old bill and never felt like getting me phone out ( even though he had a Man Utd pin badge on his tie).
Yup you won't get any arguments from me about how blacks are victimised, that is fact and not just from the police. But the fact remains that per head there are more blacks in prison than whites. So who do the police get grief off the most? Well listening to my daughter and son in law who are in the plod force, Afro carribeans and Eastern Europeans are doin a good job in adding to those figures in the Sheffield area. So much so, one of me daughters Bessie mates in the force committed suicide within the last couple of days, due to stresses of the job and personal life.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

If someone has been asked 28 times to get out of his car, he has had plenty of practice. I am a middle aged possibly middle class white male and I have been pulled up by the old bill and never felt like getting me phone out ( even though he had a Man Utd pin badge on his tie).
Yup you won't get any arguments from me about how blacks are victimised, that is fact and not just from the police. But the fact remains that per head there are more blacks in prison than whites. So who do the police get grief off the most? Well listening to my daughter and son in law who are in the plod force, Afro carribeans and Eastern Europeans are doin a good job in adding to those figures in the Sheffield area. So much so, one of me daughters Bessie mates in the force committed suicide within the last couple of days, due to stresses of the job and personal life.

At the risk of sounding rude, I'm genuinely unsure as to what your point was in that reply. My point is that noone hear appears to be in a place to comment. With your second sentence, you prove exactly that. It may have been worth stopping there?

 

[SocketRocket]

At the risk of sounding rude, I'm genuinely unsure as to what your point was in that reply. My point is that noone hear appears to be in a place to comment. With your second sentence, you prove exactly that. It may have been worth stopping there?

So are you suggesting that unless you are personally involved in any type of issue then you have no right to hold a valid opinion?

 

[Tashyboy]

As I see it CheltenhamHacker, of the two people involved in this incident, neither of them come out of it with anything they would want to be proud of. If they both sat back and thought about there actions, they could and should of done things differently, irrespective of the golfing fraternity's thoughts.👍

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So are you suggesting that unless you are personally involved in any type of issue then you have no right to hold a valid opinion?

Obviously you have a right to hold an opinion.

Whether or not it is a valid opinion is an entirely different matter.

I may hold an opinion on the right way to make a sponge cake but, due to my lack of knowledge and relevant experience, it is unlikely that it has any validity.

 

[Tashyboy]

Obviously you have a right to hold an opinion.

Whether or not it is a valid opinion is an entirely different matter.

I may hold an opinion on the right way to make a sponge cake but, due to my lack of knowledge and relevant experience, it is unlikely that it has any validity.

You what, you've never made a sponge cake, it's 2016 man.🍰🎂

 

[Deleted member 18588]

You what, you've never made a sponge cake, it's 2016 man.

I cook, I do not bake nor do I have any intention of ever doing so.

 

[Tashyboy]

I cook, I do not bake nor do I have any intention of ever doing so.

Then you will never have the pleasure of licking out the bowl. 😁

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Then you will never have the pleasure of licking out the bowl. 

Not exactly a hardship!

I don't have a sweet tooth.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Then you will never have the pleasure of licking out the bowl. 😁

One of life's great pleasures 🙌

 

[SocketRocket]

Obviously you have a right to hold an opinion.

Whether or not it is a valid opinion is an entirely different matter.

I may hold an opinion on the right way to make a sponge cake but, due to my lack of knowledge and relevant experience, it is unlikely that it has any validity.

I see no reason to hold an opinion unless I feel it's valid.

The point in question was where the poster suggested that if you were not in the same situation then you have no right to comment.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I see no reason to hold an opinion unless I feel it's valid.

The point in question was where the poster suggested that if you were not in the same situation then you have no right to comment.

And I confirmed my belief in your right to hold an opinion.

Where I sympathise with the point being made by CheltenhamHacker is on the validity of that opinion. We can all have opinions, but some are better informed and, thus, more valid than others.

 

[Foxholer]

...We can all have opinions, but some are better informed and, thus, more valid than others.

H'mm! Informed generally? Or about details of the specific incident? It's only if the latter case where the opinion is more likely to reflect the facts - but is still only an opinion until all relevant facts are known/publicised!

And note my sig - a quote from one of your earlier posts - which I totally agree with!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

H'mm! Informed generally? Or about details of the specific incident? It's only if the latter case where the opinion is more likely to reflect the facts - but is still only an opinion until all relevant facts are known/publicised!

And note my sig - a quote from one of your earlier posts - which I totally agree with!

I think we agree on this.

I have never been a policeman and neither am I a young black male in an urban environment. Thus my opinion, and those of others like me, on this issue is less valid than that of someone with either relevant experience or background.

As for the details of the specific incident there are only three people who are privy to those.

 

[Midnight]

I have to be honest, but I don't see what being black has to do with this.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I have to be honest, but I don't see what being black has to do with this.

Is it not disingenuous to dismiss the possibility that some sections of the black community might view the police in a less than favourable light?

Again, I cannot say with any certainty but news reports do suggest that there may be a negative attitude towards the police within certain sections of society. This attitude may or may not have any basis in fact but could still exist and influence people's actions.

 

[Foxholer]

Is it not disingenuous to dismiss the possibility that some sections of the black community might view the police in a less than favourable light?

Again, I cannot say with any certainty but news reports do suggest that there may be a negative attitude towards the police within certain sections of society. This attitude may or may not have any basis in fact but could still exist and influence people's actions.

Stop & Search statistics would still seem to imply that there are very likely pretty sound reasons for that negative attitude! And that's not just in the likes of London, Manchester etc, where gangs are apparently part of the 'culture'!

 

[Midnight]

Is it not disingenuous to dismiss the possibility that some sections of the black community might view the police in a less than favourable light?

Again, I cannot say with any certainty but news reports do suggest that there may be a negative attitude towards the police within certain sections of society. This attitude may or may not have any basis in fact but could still exist and influence people's actions.

I get that mate and without doubt there are certain sections within all communities that have a negative view of the Police and this will influence how they react/interact when being stopped. This may be down to a bad experience, being raised like that or other factors. One of my mates absolutely detests the Police, this is all down to a bad experience he had with them ,(he is a white bloke).

I still don't believe that colour/religion/,sex for example should stop someone from having and stating their views,/opinions on this issue.