Her Majesty's Lot at it again

[Midnight]

but there are a lot that have applied and passed the selection process to join firearms, so much so there is one hell of a backlog to train them. Incidentally the increase in arming the police force is to combat the terrorist threat.

Unfortunately there are also a lot who have applied and failed the selection process. Should these officers be armed ? (Just playing devil's advocate,) I have my own views on it all.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

82% of British bobbies don't want to be armed. According to the federation, they believe they have the tools to do the job without being armed.

It's a culture thing to me, 20-30 years ago the public were against armed police in airports or on show in public, now it's accepted. A fully armed police force would become accepted over time.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's a culture thing to me, 20-30 years ago the public were against armed police in airports or on show in public, now it's accepted. A fully armed police force would become accepted over time.

Why do we need a "fully armed" police force ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

we are discussing a car, but this could of been any vehicle and recent events on the continent where a vehicle was used to murder innocent victims is the point I am trying to make.
99.9% of individuals would of got out of the car. Especially if innocent. If I was that copper and asked him repeatedly to get out of the vehicle and he refused, I would be asking myself " why is he not getting out". His actions as stated by me were ott.

So any innocent person should simply get out of the car, how about your home or anything else you possess?
Smash your door down, frighten you?
"Sorry Tashyboy, wrong address" No problem PC, honest mistake,

Going on the video released, once he gets out the car, the other one recognises him and tells him to get back in the car, really won't be surprised if the PC doing the damage is an inexperienced Cop, because I don't believe 99.9% of other Cops would behave like that. That video will end up being used in Police trg on how not to gain entry to a car.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why do we need a "fully armed" police force ?

Because imo it leads to a safer society and is a very effective visible deterrent.

 

[Snelly]

Why do we need a "fully armed" police force ?

Are you being deliberately thick again Phil? Why do you think? To shoot baddies, obviously.

For research purposes, you should watch Dirty Harry and Magnum Force.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you being deliberately thick again Phil? Why do you think? To shoot baddies, obviously.

For research purposes, you should watch Dirty Harry and Magnum Force.

"To shoot baddies"

Maybe you have researched too many Dirty Harry films

Since when has the UK become that dangerous that we now need every police officer to be armed ?! Seriously how often in the past year has their been cause for police to be armed ?

And as for leading to a safer society ? Seriously in what way ? Bring guns to the policemen and straight away you up the anti to the criminals.

Unless I have missed something in this country but not once have I ever seen or heard of any incident in the U.K. that has come anywhere near requiring a "fully armed police force"

 

[Snelly]

Unless I have missed something

Surely not?


I bet Chuck Norris thinks our rozzers should be tooled up, and he is double hard.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

"To shoot baddies"

Maybe you have researched too many Dirty Harry films

Since when has the UK become that dangerous that we now need every police officer to be armed ?! Seriously how often in the past year has their been cause for police to be armed ?

And as for leading to a safer society ? Seriously in what way ? Bring guns to the policemen and straight away you up the anti to the criminals.

Unless I have missed something in this country but not once have I ever seen or heard of any incident in the U.K. that has come anywhere near requiring a "fully armed police force"

The last Gov figures for the year 14-15, the Armed Police responded to just under 15,000 Firearm incidents.
So not much then!

 

[Foxholer]

... Why do you think? To shoot baddies, obviously...

I think you need to define 'baddies'!

Those that do 90+ on the motorway?

Or only when they decline to get out of the car in response to an overly-aggressive PC?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Surely not?


I bet Chuck Norris thinks our rozzers should be tooled up, and he is double hard.

Whatever you do, don't google Chuck Norris.

 

[Midnight]

The last Gov figures for the year 14-15, the Armed Police responded to just under 15,000 Firearm incidents.
So not much then!

Mate, do you know if they are on about firearm deployments or does it state that these are jobs where a firearm has been seen?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The last Gov figures for the year 14-15, the Armed Police responded to just under 15,000 Firearm incidents.
So not much then!

So that's a lot of incidents resolved without the need of firearms from the police or the use of the armed division ?

Seems they have the balance right then

 

[Tashyboy]

Unfortunately there are also a lot who have applied and failed the selection process. Should these officers be armed ? (Just playing devil's advocate,) I have my own views on it all.

Definately not midnight, from what I have heard the selection process is tough. If you have done your homework before you go through the selection process. You know what is required. If you cannot meet that criteria/level of standard required then no they should not be armed.

 

[Foxholer]

The last Gov figures for the year 14-15, the Armed Police responded to just under 15,000 Firearm incidents.
So not much then!

If it's the stats I'm looking at, you have a small but vital error...

There were just under 15000 police firearm operations . That doesn't mean there were that many firearm incidents! Quite a different statistic altogether!

In fact, of those 15k incidents, only 2 involved the discharge of firearms by the Police!

So definitely not much!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...cs-england-and-wales-april-2014-to-march-2015

Oh and there were 5647 Police Firearm Officers, down from 5875 the previous year!

And the graph in the above link shows an excellent trend of reducing incidents!

 

[Tashyboy]

So any innocent person should simply get out of the car, how about your home or anything else you possess?
Smash your door down, frighten you?
"Sorry Tashyboy, wrong address" No problem PC, honest mistake,

Going on the video released, once he gets out the car, the other one recognises him and tells him to get back in the car, really won't be surprised if the PC doing the damage is an inexperienced Cop, because I don't believe 99.9% of other Cops would behave like that. That video will end up being used in Police trg on how not to gain entry to a car.

As daft as it may seem, me and Missis T were once pulled over by the police coming back from the gym. ( long time ago). Anyway the rozzer asked me to wind down the window. I did. That's it, end of story. Why would you not?

 

[Midnight]

Definately not midnight, from what I have heard the selection process is tough. If you have done your homework before you go through the selection process. You know what is required. If you cannot meet that criteria/level of standard required then no they should not be armed.

The actual course is hard mate and not everyone gets through for a variety of reasons. However if people want the Police force in general armed how would this be decided and what would you do with the ones who were deemed not fit to carry?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If it's the stats I'm looking at, you have a small but vital error...

There were just under 15000 police firearm operations . That doesn't mean there were that many firearm incidents! Quite a different statistic altogether!

In fact, of those 15k incidents, only 2 involved the discharge of firearms by the Police!

So definitely not much!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...cs-england-and-wales-april-2014-to-march-2015

Oh and there were 5647 Police Firearm Officers, down from 5875 the previous year!

And the graph in the above link shows an excellent trend of reducing incidents!

The report says 6, up 2 from the previous year, my understanding of a firearms operation means the Police decided they needed firearms on scene, I would class the operation/incident as the same thing.
Overall Police numbers have been cut so understandible all areas suffered.
Still not good that we are looking at an average of 41 Firearms operations per day.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The actual course is hard mate and not everyone gets through for a variety of reasons. However if people want the Police force in general armed how would this be decided and what would you do with the ones who were deemed not fit to carry?

You couldn't do it overnight it would have to be a gradual introduction, not fit to carry, desk job or redundancy.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You couldn't do it overnight it would have to be a gradual introduction, not fit to carry, desk job or redundancy.

So what about the thousands of local village policemen or in towns where they have no incidents requiring firearms ? Get them all tooled up as well

There is no need for a fully armed police force -not seen one justification for it. Why on earth do you need to have every single policeman carrying a gun when there is no need or call for it. That would actually scare more people than make them safe.

Areas where there is a need have those sections on standby ready to deploy when needed.