Has environmental evangelism replaced the religious envagelism?
- Thread starter Bunkermagnet
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Sexy car but £29.5k for a 5yr old car with 102k on the clock
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Rooter
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Sexy car but £29.5k for a 5yr old car with 102k on the clock
A 5 year old car thats batteries have been cycled up and down charge 1000's of times! Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole unless it had a very decent warranty, specifically around the batteries.
bobmac
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And if electric cars were the same price as the petrol or diesel equivalent, would you buy electric then, bearing in mind the small running costs of electric?
SocketRocket
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Aren't Electric cars just as polluting as Petrol/Diesel, they just push the pollution somewhere else like power stations, Battery disposal, lithium mining etc.
bobmac
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When batteries finally have to be replaced they have other uses such as storing solar/wind power for homes and eventually get recycled into new batteries.
Lithium only makes up 2% of a battery so not a lot. Besides, if that clever My Dyson produces an electric car with solid state batteries, there will be no need for any lithium.
As for pollution, every month shows we are using more and more clean cheap renewable energy to produce electricity
Foxholer
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Here's a link to a (quite old now) film I helped fund, in a small way, that addresses a more sinister contributor to the demise of our plant as we know it.
Note: Free for Amazon Prime subscribers; available elewhere too.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Critical-M...&qid=1552422268&sr=1-1&keywords=critical+mass
Note: Free for Amazon Prime subscribers; available elewhere too.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Critical-M...&qid=1552422268&sr=1-1&keywords=critical+mass
My wife's car, definitely. My car, the family car, if the range could top the 300 mile genuine range then yes as well. Why not?
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Beezerk
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Maybe there is a link. Livestock farming seems to play a major part.
SocketRocket
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I find the way young people are being schooled to blame older generations for ruining their lives is worrying, divisive and unfair.
When older people were growing up there were less use of disposable items, less plastic, more recyclable items like milk and lemonade bottles, food was wrapped in paper bags, fish and chips in newspaper, we used busses and trains as not many had cars, we walked to school or rode bikes as our mothers never had SUVs to take us, we holidayed in the UK and didn't fly off abroad, no mobile phones, no computers, much less to eat. How about getting back to this kids?
When older people were growing up there were less use of disposable items, less plastic, more recyclable items like milk and lemonade bottles, food was wrapped in paper bags, fish and chips in newspaper, we used busses and trains as not many had cars, we walked to school or rode bikes as our mothers never had SUVs to take us, we holidayed in the UK and didn't fly off abroad, no mobile phones, no computers, much less to eat. How about getting back to this kids?
bobmac
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Because as I said in post no. 40, the manufacturers can't sell electric cars at the same price as petrol and diesel because the vast majority would choose the electric and all the petrol and diesel wouldn't be sold. So they keep the electric prices high to encourage you to buy the cheaper p&d cars they are still making today, no doubt encouraged by the oil companies.
Whether we like it or not, electric cars with their stunning performance, 0 road tax, no congestion charge and zero emmissions will be the norm in the future and it will be sooner than most think.
And if/when the solid state batteries are rolled out, they will double the range of todays cars.
Kellfire
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Or maybe the way previous generations started embracing cars, plastics, SUVs, foreign holidays, mobile phones, computers and cheap processed food without much forethought was worrying, divisive and unfair and the youth today have every right to say "thanks but no thanks" to the absolute mess their generations will have to clean up and live through, all because that once the previous generations saw any grain of comfort they seized it without any care in the world.
Whilst they themselves drive SUV’s etc. And where are you drawing the cut off point for these older/younger generations? I assume it’s way below the age of the countless staff I employed, none of which were any greener than the older generations.
Kellfire
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I was merely offering a counterpoint to SocketRocket's typical "Woe is me, the kids today are clueless" stance. I myself don't know quite where I stand on it all, as I have a selfish streak in me.
I don't know that any generation can claim moral superiority. All have gained from and used products, tech etc that has abused the environment. If it becomes a young v old thing then it ends up being like Brexit and we can see how that doesn't help. My daughter was taking the high ground with me only recently on this subject until I pointed out that she has had more long haul flights than anyone else in our family in the last 2 years.
There is no moral high ground to take. And I will put my mortgage, if I had one, that some the green initiatives being proposed today will be denigrated in years to come.
We’re already hearing some people say that lithium batteries are more un-environmentally friendly to make and dispose of than other current technologies. Hell, I can remember the arguments around nuclear power in the early 70’s. Some said it was super clean, no smoke, at a time when sulphurous emissions from coal powered power stations were the big thing.
Bunkermagnet
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Why do you think electric cars will always be road tax or congestion charge free? Governments need the tax from the motorist to fund so much.
They use and cause damage to the roads just as every other vehicle does, and actually create more particulate pollution from needing heavier braking systems
