Happy WHS Email day

[mikejohnchapman]

Club V1 will not be sending their club members details to the EG Platform until 1st November - therefore no way EG can send eMails I fear.

 

[Swango1980]

Club V1 will not be sending their club members details to the EG Platform until 1st November - therefore no way EG can send eMails I fear.

So much for club members getting access this week then. I wonder if there is a bit of friction between Club V1 and England Golf?

 

[Ethan]

My club uses Intelligent Golf. Any idea if that is working out better?

 

[Old Skier]

So much for club members getting access this week then. I wonder if there is a bit of friction between Club V1 and England Golf?

Friction between all the ISVs and EG golf

 

[Old Skier]

Unless you are a handicap secretary you probably won't be supposed to get one yet.

Unfortunately they said that they were going out this week, but it is only Tuesday

 

[rulefan]

Friction between all the ISVs and EG golf

The ISVs are not involved in this part (ie transition files and HI calcs).
The data source is the CDH itself not anything from the ISV files
The calculations are being done by the DotCom software commissioned by EG

 

[fenwayrich]

All of our Gents competitions (including Opens) have been input as if they had been played from the red pots, so the Indexes currently showing are much higher than they should be.

Also from the sample I looked at, there are quite a few scores that are missing. I don't know if the problem emanates from the initial information that the club provided on registration, but with less than two weeks to go it's not ideal. The database has been thoroughly cleansed so at least that side of it is not a big problem.

 

[Wildboy370]

Not sure how everyone else has done or got what they were expecting, but from the list I have seen for our club the HI is not worth the paper it is written on. Few examples. Member for a year, initial handicap 14, now off 15 as never played to handicap. His new HI 8.2. Myself has now got two CDH numbers from somewhere. Guy I play with has a Congu handicap of 13.2. Systems says his Congu handicap is 14.4 and his HI is 14.6.. Two years they have had to sort this out and with a week to go utter chaos from every angle by the governing body who now seem to have washed there ha DS of everything and handed it all over to the clubs to sort. Outstanding

 

[Bigfoot]

I’ve had an email from my club asking me to update my preferences to allow golf England to access my personal data. ??‍

I had one of those but not from the club that maintains my handicap !!

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Not sure how everyone else has done or got what they were expecting, but from the list I have seen for our club the HI is not worth the paper it is written on. Few examples. Member for a year, initial handicap 14, now off 15 as never played to handicap. His new HI 8.2. Myself has now got two CDH numbers from somewhere. Guy I play with has a Congu handicap of 13.2. Systems says his Congu handicap is 14.4 and his HI is 14.6.. Two years they have had to sort this out and with a week to go utter chaos from every angle by the governing body who now seem to have washed there ha DS of everything and handed it all over to the clubs to sort. Outstanding

It’s as if they contracted Serco to do it for them ?

 

[mikejohnchapman]

I've carried out a review of around 92 of the Seniors HI's, worked out their Course Handicap for the yellow tees on L/P, using the Slope Table Panel. I've then compared the result with their current handicap.

70 of them fall within -1 to +2 of each other.

Of the other 22, one is +7 (with 7 qualifiers used), two are +6 (with 4 and 10 qualifiers), eight are +5, five +4, and six +3 (all of these have between 3 and 16 qualifiers).

I think a rapid handicap Review will be necessary.

 

[Swango1980]

I've carried out a review of around 92 of the Seniors HI's, worked out their Course Handicap for the yellow tees on L/P, using the Slope Table Panel. I've then compared the result with their current handicap.

70 of them fall within -1 to +2 of each other.

Of the other 22, one is +7 (with 7 qualifiers used), two are +6 (with 4 and 10 qualifiers), eight are +5, five +4, and six +3 (all of these have between 3 and 16 qualifiers).

I think a rapid handicap Review will be necessary.

For these 22 high figures, are these players new members who have just been allocated a handicap, or players who have not submitted scores since 2017? If so, their CONGU handicap has been set as their Index, which will result in a higher course handicap (assuming your Slope is over 113). So, especially with higher handicappers, they will get a significant increase to course handicap. We have a new lady member, handicap 45. As this is also her Index, she gets 56 Course Handicap.

I suspect WHS might change to improve things like this before 2nd November, as committees have been giving them feedback. I reckon new golfers Index should be Congu Handicap × 113/Slope (well, ideally they could retrieve their initial 3 cards that were not put onto WHS for some reason).

It is a nightmare. Committee members like yourself put in a lot of groundwork now, so you can act when it goes live. Only for the system to potentially change the day before launch, and making your work a bit of a wasted effort. It just seems like one mad rush to the finish line.

 

[rulefan]

Myself has now got two CDH numbers from somewhere.

That will be down to your club

 

[rulefan]

All of our Gents competitions (including Opens) have been input as if they had been played from the red pots, so the Indexes currently showing are much higher than they should be.

Out ladies have a similar problem. I gather it is to do with the system trying to reconcile/identify the name of your course held on the CDH (ie the one in the club's system) and the one logged in the Course Rating system.

 

[Ethan]

I've carried out a review of around 92 of the Seniors HI's, worked out their Course Handicap for the yellow tees on L/P, using the Slope Table Panel. I've then compared the result with their current handicap.

70 of them fall within -1 to +2 of each other.

Of the other 22, one is +7 (with 7 qualifiers used), two are +6 (with 4 and 10 qualifiers), eight are +5, five +4, and six +3 (all of these have between 3 and 16 qualifiers).

I think a rapid handicap Review will be necessary.

Anomalies are bound to arise with some players who don't have many data points. The previous system tied their handicap to the historical number, the new one doesn't.

 

[nickjdavis]

. I reckon new golfers Index should be Congu Handicap × 113/Slope (well, ideally they could retrieve their initial 3 cards that were not put onto WHS for some reason).

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The WHS response to my question about initial cards for handicap not being included in the index calculations was so wishy washy and non specific that I didn't bother to post it on here!!!

 

[Orikoru]

I don't have any issues with the new system itself but the way they are taking established handicaps and, in some cases, drastically altering them seems a bit bonkers.

I agree - I kinda thought they would just calculate it using your current handicap and your home course's slope so that it works out roughly the same. i.e. for me, as I play off 16 but our slope is 131 or something, I was expecting 14 or 15 index probably. But it's anyone's guess from what people are saying.

 

[rulefan]

I agree - I kinda thought they would just calculate it using your current handicap and your home course's slope so that it works out roughly the same. i.e. for me, as I play off 16 but our slope is 131 or something, I was expecting 14 or 15 index probably. But it's anyone's guess from what people are saying.

It will all depend on when your best scores were played.

 

[harpo_72]

I have 6 qualifying rounds this year my last 2 rounds were good, but off different tees one was the tips and hardest rated course the other was standard competition tees. Those 2 rounds were medal scores, the previous ones were not.
We use intelligent golf, last night the email came out about releasing our data I.e. email and DoB ... so I don’t think a lot has been done and I cannot see what will happen with my handicap either.