Handicap manipulation - how to address

[doublebogey7]

Maybe a cap on what Ams can win .

Get back to it being a sport not a pot chasing exercise.

There is already a cap though it is too high for handicap golf in my view.

 

[wjemather]

Maybe a cap on what Ams can win .

Rules of Amateur Status
3b. An amateur playing in a handicap competition is not allowed to accept prize money, but may accept any other prize up to a limit of £700 or US$1000 in value, per competition, unless the national governing body has set a lower limit.

 

[IanM]

These days you walk away with a bags etc you can sell on ebay for up to £200 or more.

There's your day paid for and a bit of profit. Over the season then can mount up.

The "excellent players" I've encountered are "2 for 2" this season, and that's only those I know about.

They wouldn't bother if it was a wee shield and a sleeve of Molitors!

 

[rulie]

These days you walk away with a bags etc you can sell on ebay for up to £200 or more.

There's your day paid for and a bit of profit. Over the season then can mount up.

The "excellent players" I've encountered are "2 for 2" this season, and that's only those I know about.

They wouldn't bother if it was a wee shield and a sleeve of Molitors!

That's been my recommendation for "charity" events - save the valuable prizes for door prizes where everyone has an equal chance to win.

 

[Teebs]

Thankfully they came 2nd in one of the pairs majors, so no big prizes.
I've heard the handicap committee are reviewing their cards over the next few weeks..

 

[rulie]

Thankfully they came 2nd in one of the pairs majors, so no big prizes.
I've heard the handicap committee are reviewing their cards over the next few weeks..

Why would it take "weeks"?

 

[wjemather]

Thankfully they came 2nd in one of the pairs majors, so no big prizes.
I've heard the handicap committee are reviewing their cards over the next few weeks..

Just had a quick glance at just 4 handicap records from your club and there are anomalies with 2 of them that your handicap committee should be on top of as they are very easy to spot during routine report checks - an individual GP score entered while playing in a 4BBB comp (the 4BBB score was acceptable and went onto their record); a player getting penalty scores for seemingly duplicate gp registrations (acceptable gp score submitted on the same day).

 

[clubchamp98]

Rules of Amateur Status
3b. An amateur playing in a handicap competition is not allowed to accept prize money, but may accept any other prize up to a limit of £700 or US$1000 in value, per competition, unless the national governing body has set a lower limit.

Yes but that’s to high.imo.

£50 is sufficient.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Well another Open today and another huge winning score


Looked back through the last 4 years and the winning scores have been

87 , 86 , 88 and 87 - all solid good scores

This year - 95 ?!?!

And 98 for the event two weeks ago

 

[IanM]

Well another Open today and another huge winning score


Looked back through the last 4 years and the winning scores have been

87 , 86 , 88 and 87 - all solid good scores

This year - 95 ?!?!

And 98 for the event two weeks ago

Who and where?

 

[IanMcC]

Well another Open today and another huge winning score


Looked back through the last 4 years and the winning scores have been

87 , 86 , 88 and 87 - all solid good scores

This year - 95 ?!?!

And 98 for the event two weeks ago

CR-Par may have had some effect.

 

[Teebs]

Just had a quick glance at just 4 handicap records from your club and there are anomalies with 2 of them that your handicap committee should be on top of as they are very easy to spot during routine report checks - an individual GP score entered while playing in a 4BBB comp (the 4BBB score was acceptable and went onto their record); a player getting penalty scores for seemingly duplicate gp registrations (acceptable gp score submitted on the same day).

Interesting, would you mind sharing via PM?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Well the good news is it appears that both England Golf and a club are looking into a few people’s handicaps - a certain bunch that have won a number of opens in recent weeks of suspect handicaps

 

[chellie]

Well the good news is it appears that both England Golf and a club are looking into a few people’s handicaps - a certain bunch that have won a number of opens in recent weeks of suspect handicaps

Wonder if they visit the North West at all.

 

[clubchamp98]

Wonder if they visit the North West at all.

We have enough of our own.

 

[rulie]

Well the good news is it appears that both England Golf and a club are looking into a few people’s handicaps - a certain bunch that have won a number of opens in recent weeks of suspect handicaps

Fixing the problem isn't hard. What is hard is getting someone to take the required actions.

 

[cliveb]

Open in the NE of England are almost exclusively 4bbb. They are days out for a group of friends. Change that to a drawn individual competition and the numbers would be decimated. They are good earners for clubs behind the bar, food and drink, and clubs will not want to lose that income.

As people have frequently said on here, drop the prizes. That's the answer.

This. I enter opens with my mates. It's a fun day out, we don't care about the prizes. If we couldn't play together, we wouldn't enter.

If the prize values were dropped, the entry fee could also be dropped, attracting more entries and more bar/food revenue for the club. It's a win for everyone - except the cheats.

 

[DickInShorts]

This. I enter opens with my mates. It's a fun day out, we don't care about the prizes. If we couldn't play together, we wouldn't enter.

If the prize values were dropped, the entry fee could also be dropped, attracting more entries and more bar/food revenue for the club. It's a win for everyone - except the cheats.

Lots of clubs up here have franchised out their catering& bar so they wouldn’t benefit!

 

[D-S]

Lots of clubs up here have franchised out their catering& bar so they wouldn’t benefit!

But if the club doesn't 'provide' the franchise with enough revenue/ traffic then that will have to be reflected at some stage in the contract - either a smaller profit share or increased subsidy.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

But if the club doesn't 'provide' the franchise with enough revenue/ traffic then that will have to be reflected at some stage in the contract - either a smaller profit share or increased subsidy.

I would also add, if they don't make enough money then they will walk away. A strong franchisee is good for all parties, whether the money stays in the club or not.