Handicap manipulation - how to address

[clubchamp98]

Yes: https://ncrdb.usga.org/courseTeeInfo?CourseID=20113

Thank you.

 

[Thintowin]

It would have been useful to have had actual explanations to cherry pick from.

If someone posts something I don't agree with I read back through the posts to understand the context before I challenge. Saves time and finger energy.

 

[3 jabber]

I know 3 jabber asked a similar question and handicaps increased from a maximum of 28 on 1/1/18 7 years ago when you were 10. That was 7 years ago which makes you 17 now which you refer to in your post.

While there may be a typing error in your post are you 17 years old now? If so Yaounde have quite a few ideals/ opinions about many issues for somebody of that age.

Also good that you were once off 41 but now criticise anybody who receives 2 shots a hole when you used to receive 3 on some holes.

Kindly clarify when convenient.

Two likely scenarios here.

1. Young and.....lets be kind and say 'inexperienced' so his comments can be taken with a pinch of salt.

2. Telling porkies about his/her age and handicap and just trying to have a laugh at everyones expense.

Either way, not worth bothering about.

 

[rulefan]

Thintowin

As Colin L says: It would have been useful to have had actual explanations to cherry pick from.

I asked a short while ago "What specific changes would you make?" Will you be making any reply specifying just what you would do? Just a couple would do for starters.

 

[Thintowin]

Thintowin

As Colin L says: It would have been useful to have had actual explanations to cherry pick from.

I asked a short while ago "What specific changes would you make?" Will you be making any reply specifying just what you would do? Just a couple would do for starters.

I have mentioned this before. The change I would make would be to replace the current HI algorithm with the previous UHS one. Carry on with slope adjustment calculations etc but I think the current HI algorithm creates unnecessary volatility and is also easily abused.

I also went on to suggest that the old 0.1 increment and the size of the buffer zone could be adjusted to be category specific, as was the cut value, to make it fairer to higher handicaps if that's really the problem.

 

[Dunesman]

I also went on to suggest that the old 0.1 increment and the size of the buffer zone could be adjusted to be category specific, as was the cut value, to make it fairer to higher handicaps if that's really the problem.

Thats how it was already.

 

[Dunesman]

The more I think about it, read here, and hear the views of our committee, the more pessimistic I am about the harm done to British club amateur competition golf by WHS.

Competitions will continue of course, with little change in participation. But a rigour and sense of genuine competition has been sacrificed.

Someone mentioned pub golfers earlier. WHS is the pub golferification of golf. A dumbing down. It may be well meaning, inclusive, woke if you want. But the competitive underpinning of the various old systems has been removed. Many valued that.

No golfer needs a three shot increase in a few weeks. His skill at the game does not change that quickly. He doesnt need to cheat or play the system - entirely innocently, such an increase will apply to some golfers now and again. In a field of 100 plus, at any one time there will be a group who have an advantage over the rest. And that is not a level playing field that we understood a handicapping system to be designed to achieve. Such volatility isnt even reflecting so called form. Its just natural variation with too wide a scope. Add in a further flaw with the favouring of higher handicaps over low ones, and the confidence and integrity of the system is spoiled.
EG have ridden through club golf with a coach and six, and dont seem to care a jot.

 

[clubchamp98]

The more I think about it, read here, and hear the views of our committee, the more pessimistic I am about the harm done to British club amateur competition golf by WHS.

Competitions will continue of course, with little change in participation. But a rigour and sense of genuine competition has been sacrificed.

Someone mentioned pub golfers earlier. WHS is the pub golferification of golf. A dumbing down. It may be well meaning, inclusive, woke if you want. But the competitive underpinning of the various old systems has been removed. Many valued that.

No golfer needs a three shot increase in a few weeks. His skill at the game does not change that quickly. He doesnt need to cheat or play the system - entirely innocently, such an increase will apply to some golfers now and again. In a field of 100 plus, at any one time there will be a group who have an advantage over the rest. And that is not a level playing field that we understood a handicapping system to be designed to achieve. Such volatility isnt even reflecting so called form. Its just natural variation with too wide a scope. Add in a further flaw with the favouring of higher handicaps over low ones, and the confidence and integrity of the system is spoiled.
EG have ridden through club golf with a coach and six, and dont seem to care a jot.

Yep just about sums it up for me.
The only question is why?

 

[Colin L]

The more I think about it, read here, and hear the views of our committee, the more pessimistic I am about the harm done to British club amateur competition golf by WHS.

Competitions will continue of course, with little change in participation. But a rigour and sense of genuine competition has been sacrificed.

Someone mentioned pub golfers earlier. WHS is the pub golferification of golf. A dumbing down. It may be well meaning, inclusive, woke if you want. But the competitive underpinning of the various old systems has been removed. Many valued that.

No golfer needs a three shot increase in a few weeks. His skill at the game does not change that quickly. He doesnt need to cheat or play the system - entirely innocently, such an increase will apply to some golfers now and again. In a field of 100 plus, at any one time there will be a group who have an advantage over the rest. And that is not a level playing field that we understood a handicapping system to be designed to achieve. Such volatility isnt even reflecting so called form. Its just natural variation with too wide a scope. Add in a further flaw with the favouring of higher handicaps over low ones, and the confidence and integrity of the system is spoiled.
EG have ridden through club golf with a coach and six, and dont seem to care a jot.

You don't convince anyone simply by saying the same thing over and again and I think most of what you say has already been refuted, probably more than once. Just one thing, though. Why berate England Golf for a system it did not devise?

 

[RichA]

You don't convince anyone simply by saying the same thing over and again and I think most of what you say has already been refuted, probably more than once. Just one thing, though. Why berate England Golf for a system it did not devise?

Because they've taken his £11.25 and he wants answers.

 

[rulie]

Because they've taken his £11.25 and he wants answers.

Then he should be pursuing England Golf, not just venting on an internet forum. I doubt that he will get an answer from England Golf on this forum.

 

[KenL]

Because they've taken his £11.25 and he wants answers.

Bargain, I think Scottish Golf is up to about £17.

 

[Colin L]

Bargain, I think Scottish Golf is up to about £17.

Close but not quite! I see from the invoice for my club subscription that it's £19 for the coming year.

 

[BTatHome]

up three shots in a few weeks ... I'll have some of that!!!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Close but not quite! I see from the invoice for my club subscription that it's £19 for the coming year.

You're being done, mine are £17.25 for the coming season. It's Brewster's Millions all over again, someone is siphoning off that extra £1.75 per person

 

[Colin L]

You're being done, mine are £17.25 for the coming season. It's Brewster's Millions all over again, someone is siphoning off that extra £1.75 per person

Thanks for that,

There will be an Inquiry.

 

[Thintowin]

You don't convince anyone simply by saying the same thing over and again and I think most of what you say has already been refuted, probably more than once. Just one thing, though. Why berate England Golf for a system it did not devise?

Likewise, you don't convince anyone either, but nobody needs convincing. Dunesman has nailed the view from the clubhouse.

 

[Thintowin]

Thats how it was already.

The movement up was 0.1 regardless of category. I was suggesting that could have been looked at if higher handicappers were truly at a disadvantage. Perhaps they should have been going up a little quicker, may 0.2 increments for cat 3 and above for example? Or wider buffer zone for cat 1 and 2? That sort of thing, again if it is true that higher handicappers were really at a disadvantage.

The problem with WHS is that it's made it easier for everyone to go up too quickly, even cat 1 and 2. These categories were just fine and aren't anymore.

 

[KenL]

Thanks for that,

There will be an Inquiry.

Just checked my subs which were due on 1/1/25. £17.25 for Scottish Golf.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

A woke handicap system. You absolute melts.

Truly absurd.