wjemather
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Players can decline quite quickly due to distance loss but they retain the ability to replicate former scoring when conditions mitigate their loss of distance.
Handicap manipulation - how to address
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Arthur Wedge
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wjemather
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Without committee intervention, the maximum increase is 5.0 in a 12 month period, making it technically possible to naturally increase by 15 in 3 years.
Voyager EMH
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I'll have to work on that distance loss thing to give me more chance of competing next couple of years.
Voyager EMH
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Apparently he has gone up from 7.7 to 15.2 in three years. That's only 7.5 upwards.Goes up 10 shots
How many GP scores in that period
He plays many comps. Don't know whether he ever puts in GP scores.
Playing handicap of 9 (HI = 7.7) three years ago. But I see him with PH of 10 in August 2023
Introduction of CR-Par has given most a one-shot-up to playing handicap. CR-Par = 0.8
But that is still 7 shots upwards to PH without CR-Par.
Arthur Wedge
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We had a few who seemed to have their HC’s increase significantly over 2/3 tears after the introduction of WHS and the spent a season winning every KO or team event they could - was a battle of the giants when two of them faced off in a final
Backache
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There is quite clearly both a greater potential for manipulation . Also a tendency for greater variance of higher handicappers scoring both of which will tend to deny the lower player opportunities in club matches.
However the supine attitude of the UK authorities will maintain the American system for all.
It is perhaps a shame that any pretence of integrity is now lost.
They will still allow fiddles though to prevent GP scores for allowing entrance to low handicap competitions .
However the supine attitude of the UK authorities will maintain the American system for all.
It is perhaps a shame that any pretence of integrity is now lost.
They will still allow fiddles though to prevent GP scores for allowing entrance to low handicap competitions .
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
The chap who was 15.2 and PH 18 and came second with 43 points has been reduced to 14.2 and will have PH 17 next time.
I came 13th with 38 points and I will have PH reduced by one shot for next comp as well. My 4.4 was reduced to 4.0
My score yesterday equalled my best for this year.
Winner has been reduced from 10.0 to 7.6. I would think that is 1.4 and an exceptional 1.0 reduction.
His PH was 12 and will be 9 for next comp.
I came 13th with 38 points and I will have PH reduced by one shot for next comp as well. My 4.4 was reduced to 4.0
My score yesterday equalled my best for this year.
Winner has been reduced from 10.0 to 7.6. I would think that is 1.4 and an exceptional 1.0 reduction.
His PH was 12 and will be 9 for next comp.
AliMc
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AliMc
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Not only match play but in all forms of competitive golf, no one should be getting more than one shot a hole, controversial i know but a rule I'd bring in if it was my game
D-S
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Is that just competing with you or at all times?
If at all times then beginners, some disabled golfers, some elderly and some juniors would never be allowed to enter competitions even if competing with others of similar ability levels?
clubchamp98
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Yes that’s a problem in golf.
But clubs seem slow in addressing it.
A scratch player drawn against a 54 handicapper neither will enjoy that
So have a scratch to 18 and 19 and above suits most.
If you want have a super cup for both winners to play each other.
It’s not enjoyable giving someone two shots on nine holes as we did last week in a 4bbb .
And this is happening a lot more these days.
But players need somewhere to compete as you say ,but would be better for all concerned if it was against people of their own standard.
Like a Squash league where your around people of your own ability to challenge.
This would encourage some to get better imo.
Divisions go a way to compromise but in a comp there can only be one winner.
wjemather
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Not my experience.Yes that’s a problem in golf.
But clubs seem slow in addressing it.
A scratch player drawn against a 54 handicapper neither will enjoy that
So have a scratch to 18 and 19 and above suits most.
If you want have a super cup for both winners to play each other.
It’s not enjoyable giving someone two shots on nine holes as we did last week in a 4bbb .
And this is happening a lot more these days.
But players need somewhere to compete as you say ,but would be better for all concerned if it was against people of their own standard.
Like a Squash league where your around people of your own ability to challenge.
This would encourage some to get better imo.
Divisions go a way to compromise but in a comp there can only be one winner.
It's never bothered me playing against higher handicappers and giving more than one stroke on holes, and I've always tried to make them feel comfortable as many are very intimidated and/or just happy to watch really good golfers play close-up.
However, I am more than aware that not all low handicappers are like me - as demonstrated regularly here!! - and that handicapping always works best between players of similar ability.
rulefan
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I get the impression from this and other forums that most low cappers believe that anyone on 10+ strokes higher is a bandit.
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Clubs have to fulfil their obligations. Many do, but many don't.
wjemather
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Those who do feel that way certainly make enough noise to make it seem like they are a majority, especially with all the click-bait headlines and entitled whinging reported in golf media, but in reality they are a small minority.
clubchamp98
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Well in my experience your a rare bird.
Most guys I know would rather have a tight game against a similar level!
That goes for most golfers I have known over 45 yrs of playing high and low and everything in between.
Yes it’s nice seeing good golfers close up but it puts most high cappers off imo of course.
A match with very few shots between you is always better.( as long as you win
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clubchamp98
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Arthur Wedge
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When it comes to banditry it’s not about the number - someone can be a bandit of single figures
clubchamp98
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I was “ accused” of this myself on Saturday.
Spent most of my golf off 5/6/ cap but due to an injury to my wrist I’m 10.6 =11 atm.
Guy said to me “ how the f……. Hell are you off 11 “
But my scores don’t lie ,no GP cards.
I’ll be dangerous off 12 when I recover.
