totally, i had an 8 on the 3rd ( par 4) on sat so almost my whole handicap gone on one hole, still made buffer no problem
Handicap calculation confusion- is it epidemic within clubs?
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totally, i had an 8 on the 3rd ( par 4) on sat so almost my whole handicap gone on one hole, still made buffer no problem
DCB
Well-known member
It's a simple game really. You hit it, walk after it and hit it again until it goes in the hole. Then you write down the number of hits you had. The rest is up to the computer software to work out.
Unless you want to use the table in Appendix B to manually check the computer got it right
Unless you want to use the table in Appendix B to manually check the computer got it right
Green Man
Assistant Pro
Just for clarification.
If you played a Bogey comp and you finished level. Could you still get cut if you had nett Eagles on some holes? Or would you count as just level to your handicap?
If you played a Bogey comp and you finished level. Could you still get cut if you had nett Eagles on some holes? Or would you count as just level to your handicap?
Hosel Fade
Tour Rookie
For bogey competitions theres a conversion table in the handicap manual somewhere, don't think net eagles matter
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Handicaps aren't calculated on bogey comps in the way the comp is calculated, handicaps are calculated on strokes taken. If you have net eagle it counts as net eagle for handicap purposes.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Why do you think club members will read this if the Club pro clearly doesn't (and it's his job...)
I will bet that there have been constant references to this in the handicap secretaries report to the AGM, the occasional club newsletter etc but people (generally) don't try and keep up with an ever changing and dynamic system that has over 100 pages in this manual and changes regularily. Sadly there are even handicap secs, and definitely competition secs, who don't either (and I don't mean the ones who know they don't but will always look it up).
rosecott
Money List Winner
No it doesn't.
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
A lot of people I play with, even well established players don't really understand how handicaps are calculated and I think there is scope for a simple one page (or less) guide which explains the basics in one or two simple sentences:
Handicap is based on CSS or SSS not Par
What is CSS
What the buffer zone is
Net double bogey/stableford adjustment
Cuts for each category
Away scores
Would that be enough for starters? Is there already anything like this around?
Handicap is based on CSS or SSS not Par
What is CSS
What the buffer zone is
Net double bogey/stableford adjustment
Cuts for each category
Away scores
Would that be enough for starters? Is there already anything like this around?
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
Just googled Simple Guide to Golf Handicaps and found this
http://www.englandgolf.org/library-media\documents\Handicap Guide 2013.pdf
But it's 8 pages long!
http://www.englandgolf.org/library-media\documents\Handicap Guide 2013.pdf
But it's 8 pages long!
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Ok, can you explain what happens Jim. I was of the belief handicaps are calculated on strokes against CSS regardless of comp format.
D
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I believe in Bogey comp it's calculated against how many holes up you are in relation to CSS
So for example last year in a bogey comps I was 1 under par but only 3 up against the course and the CSS was one under par so I only got a .2 cut which was my score against CSS
rosecott
Money List Winner
A nett eagle and a nett birdie both count as a + on the scorecard, nothing more nothing less. Your bogey score for the round comes from adding the +s and the -s to give you your score expressed as +x, -x, or 0 (all square).
Those are then converted to nett differentials using the table in the CONGU manual (the same is done with stableford scores) and this depends on the relationship between the course par and CSS. e.g. for a course with par=CSS, a bogey score of 0 (all square) is a nett differential of 0, which is playing exactly to handicap. +1 is playing 1 better than handicap, -1 is playing 1 worse than handicap (but still in buffer) and so on. That all changes if par and CSS are different but the same principle applies.
Although that might sound complicated in the explanation, it's really quite straightforward in practise.
If you score better than a nett par, it doesn't count for anything more than a win on the hole.
Alternatively, the answer without all that gobbledegook comes from the CONGU manual:
Q. A Category One player competing in a Par/Bogey Competition finished one up on a course where the SSS, CSS and Par were the same. His nett score, had Stroke Play conditions prevailed, would have been three strokes below the CSS. By how much should his handicap be reduced?
A. The Table in Appendix D is used to convert Par/Bogey and stableford scores to NettDifferentials. The Stroke Play score is not relevant. In the above situation 1up converted to a Nett Differential of -1 resulting in an exact Handicap reduction of 0.1 of a stroke.
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Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Never played Bogey so please excuse any misunderstanding..
Assume CSS = Par
If you nett par 17 holes but Eagle(say nett Albatross) 1 hole, in Bogey you get a score of +1 so your cut is 1 X category (.1,.2 etc) Is that right?
If that was a Medal, your nett diff would be -3 so you'd get a 3 X category cut......
Confused....
You've played 3 below handicap but only getting credit for 1 under...
Assume CSS = Par
If you nett par 17 holes but Eagle(say nett Albatross) 1 hole, in Bogey you get a score of +1 so your cut is 1 X category (.1,.2 etc) Is that right?
If that was a Medal, your nett diff would be -3 so you'd get a 3 X category cut......
Confused....
You've played 3 below handicap but only getting credit for 1 under...
rosecott
Money List Winner
Similarly, if you, as a Cat 2, shot 17 nett pars in medal and had a 10 on the other hole, your medal score would have put you outside buffer, but stableford adjustment puts you in buffer.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
OK, I can see that but if you've played better than handicap and not getting cut for it then your handicap is going to be higher than it should be.
Stableford adjustment down keeps handicaps from being too high, Stableford adjustment up keeps them high....
I'd be racked off if I shot 3 under CSS and only got a .2 cut for it....
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
You would be racked off then because that's how it works.
Better example of the balance in that format is that you can shoot 9 net double bogeys (or worse) and 9 net birdies and you will buffer (assumes par =CSS of course) despite being 9 over your handicap! That's just how it is. As the game is beating the course scores better than birdie or worse than par are irrelevant in the same way as playing matchplay against an opponent who makes par on every hole.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Then there is an argument that this format shouldn't be used for handicapping isn't there...?
Everyone would be up in arms if you deliberately 3 putted the last in a Medal to get to CSS -1 and a 0.2 cut but everyone's happy when the system kind of does that for you.....play bad, go up, play well, come down but maybe not as much as you should....
As I say, never played Bogey. Probably never will.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Every day is a school day as they say.
I knew about the bogey comp scoring but was of the belief all strokes count towards handicap in the way a stroke play or stableford medal would.
It does seem off that you can play better than HC and not get a cut
I knew about the bogey comp scoring but was of the belief all strokes count towards handicap in the way a stroke play or stableford medal would.
It does seem off that you can play better than HC and not get a cut
Reasons i never play in our Bogey comps
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
We have 1 a season, I think I've played in 3 or 4 maximum since I started playing
