chrisd
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The birth rate is a real problem ........ except for the call I got this evening saying my lovely niece is expecting in October!
Gutted, Did not get the school place we wanted
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SocketRocket
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Cut their child benefits then.
What people also seem to miss is that we cant afford it.
Liverbirdie
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http://www.populstat.info/Europe/unkingdc.htm
Look at the population of the Uk over the last 100 years, or so. Every few years it tends to go up a million or so, but also go further back:-
10 mill in 1801
20 mill in 1851 - did we have 10 million immigrants in 50 years - no!
37 mill in 1901 - another 17 million?
And apart from some Huguenots, not massive immigration into the Uk in that century. Better and more food is one of the main drivers, even before better health, housing, social care, innoculations etc
Look at the population of the Uk over the last 100 years, or so. Every few years it tends to go up a million or so, but also go further back:-
10 mill in 1801
20 mill in 1851 - did we have 10 million immigrants in 50 years - no!
37 mill in 1901 - another 17 million?
And apart from some Huguenots, not massive immigration into the Uk in that century. Better and more food is one of the main drivers, even before better health, housing, social care, innoculations etc
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We can't afford a lot of things - ensuring children are fed and housed is something I would always prefer to see.
bluewolf
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Firstly, Congratulations :thup:
Secondly, a little bit of digging has enlightened me. The Birthrate in England has dropped from 1.94 in 2012, to 1.85 in 2013. This well below the 2.1 that is necessary to sustain a population without immigration.. Ergo, the birthrate is a real problem, just not in the way you think..
Child benefit is already restricted to those who own over a specific amount.
SocketRocket
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All population increase in the UK is now due to immigration. If you read the attached link it shows that if there were no more immigration the population of the UK would continue to rise due to those here already and then fall such that it would return to current levels at the end of the century.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/15.3
SocketRocket
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It's restricted by earnings not what you own. I think one person earning over £50K which is silly.
I posted this previously but it shows the projections of population increase based on no further immigration and current levels. Quite an eye opener:
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/15.3
ScienceBoy
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a Production penalty, a nasty combat penalty (-33%) for all units and cannot train settlers?
bluewolf
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Yes, I meant Earn, not Own.. I'm struggling to do 3 things at once here..
..As I posted earlier, the birthrate in England is currently below 2 (1.85 in 2013). This means that without immigration, the population would be shrinking. Couple this with people living longer would lead to a Pension timebomb that would cripple this country.. As much as Immigration does lead to some problems, without it we would probably be much worse off.
SocketRocket
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Yes, I meant Earn, not Own.. I'm struggling to do 3 things at once here..
As I posted earlier, the birthrate in England is currently below 2 (1.85 in 2013). This means that without immigration, the population would be shrinking. Couple this with people living longer would lead to a Pension timebomb that would cripple this country.. As much as Immigration does lead to some problems, without it we would probably be much worse off.
Did you read the link?
bluewolf
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Yes, and I'm always suspicious of conclusions reached by "Independent" think tanks. The statistics can be interpreted in many ways and are usually used to support the argument of whichever political party is pulling the strings behind the curtain..
The only real fact is that the birth rate in the UK is too low. If you could increase the birthrate to 2.2 or above, then I would support controlled immigration (although probably not as controlled as some would want). It has to be a genuine fear that the proportion of OAP's is rising too fast. There will not be enough taxpayers to support the country in the not too distant future. However, you appear to want to reduce the brithrate further, and then control immigration further.. It's a disaster waiting to happen..
JustOne
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Idiocracy.. One of my favourite films and a real vision of the Dystopian future...
That's the film :thup:.... utter crap film but judging by the neighbourhood I live in.... very believable
bluewolf
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I've just thought of something that might help. If you want to reduce population and immigration AND keep a working economy, then you need to think about reducing the population at the other end of the scale from where you're currently looking.... Sort of a "Logan's Run" policy..... 
Oh and before anyone jumps up and down, it's a joke.. I'm hoping to be a Pensioner myself one day...
.. Sort of a "Logan's Run" policy..... Oh and before anyone jumps up and down, it's a joke.. I'm hoping to be a Pensioner myself one day...
Rooter
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Not read it all.i expect the one you applied for is known as the best one locally. I also expect it is not your catchment school. We have 1 school close that is excellent, we didn't even apply for it as we know that even people living in catchment can't get in it!
The school my older 2 go to now have 3 classes per intake, that's 90 kids per year!!! Long way away from the school I went to that had less than 90 kids across all years!!
Unless you have a very very good reason, I doubt the appeal process will be fruitful. I would suggest you call the local admissions dept at the council and ask to go on the waiting list. Also ask your position on the waiting list. September is a long way off, people move house etc.
It's a nightmare, we were lucky getting ours in where they are, our catchment school while by ofsted standards is excellent, no way on the world my kids would go there. I am no snob, but it's proper pikey. Parents fighting in the car park, a lot of troubled kids go there and suck the attention away from the rest.
Good luck Alex, my eldest got into the junior school she has been at, got this again next year when my lad goes from infants to juniors, and daughter 2 goes to infants. Then again the year after for no 4! Fingers crossed! We have a good case for appeals if it doesn't go our way with siblings...
The school my older 2 go to now have 3 classes per intake, that's 90 kids per year!!! Long way away from the school I went to that had less than 90 kids across all years!!
Unless you have a very very good reason, I doubt the appeal process will be fruitful. I would suggest you call the local admissions dept at the council and ask to go on the waiting list. Also ask your position on the waiting list. September is a long way off, people move house etc.
It's a nightmare, we were lucky getting ours in where they are, our catchment school while by ofsted standards is excellent, no way on the world my kids would go there. I am no snob, but it's proper pikey. Parents fighting in the car park, a lot of troubled kids go there and suck the attention away from the rest.
Good luck Alex, my eldest got into the junior school she has been at, got this again next year when my lad goes from infants to juniors, and daughter 2 goes to infants. Then again the year after for no 4! Fingers crossed! We have a good case for appeals if it doesn't go our way with siblings...
Hacker Khan
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Classic Farage there, textbook stuff, your great sweaty leader would be proud. The force is strong with this one.
pbrown7582
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The bit I struggle to understand here with the OP is how can they accept a child into
Reception get them settled in and start the learning process make friends and get comfortable at school a big challenge for a 4 year old then some jobsworth decides they have to do it all over again the following sept it's barmy!
Reception get them settled in and start the learning process make friends and get comfortable at school a big challenge for a 4 year old then some jobsworth decides they have to do it all over again the following sept it's barmy!
Hacker Khan
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As a school governor I find that a bit strange as well. Especially as schools now will have to assess children as they come into reception to properly measure progress through the Key Stages. And different schools will use different assessment methods, so keeping a child in one school from reception to the end of KS2 makes a lot of sense.
It may well be a numbers game as in KS1 you can not have classes of over 30. So if you are looking like having over 30 (or multiples of 30) then you have to employ a new teacher which the school may well not be able to afford. Hence the rather ruthless fact that some kids from reception can not go into KS1.
Also with regards to the OP's fear about their child getting lost in a big school then a lot of research says that smaller class sizes have much less effect on the quality of the teaching than people think. And an outstanding teacher teaching a class of 30 will be better than an average teacher teaching a class of 15. So do not worry about that too much. Unless the teachers in the other school are average.
Rooter
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The council admissions have nowt to do with any pre school places. Problems lie in communication.
pbrown7582
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The admissions policy is a joke don't get me started on that! :sbox:
Have too agree with poor comms.
Adi2Dassler
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Not sure how it works in England, but in Scotland ( Edinburgh and in my case, Portobello) there are real issues with out of catchment kids resulting in major issues with over capacities in some schools folk assume are better than others, whose school role is significantly below capacity.
There is a simple solution.Stop allowing parents to take their children out of catchment, force parents to send their kids to their local school, even if that school isn't deemed as 'good' as next doors.Contribute to making the school you assume isn't good enough for your little cherub better.
There is a simple solution.Stop allowing parents to take their children out of catchment, force parents to send their kids to their local school, even if that school isn't deemed as 'good' as next doors.Contribute to making the school you assume isn't good enough for your little cherub better.
