Gutted, Did not get the school place we wanted

Liverpoolphil said:
maybe they want to have kids

So you would basically pay people not to have kids
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Yes. Have you watched those poor little kids starving to death and not wondered why their parents are bringing them into the world. It would be better to try and educate them not to have kids they cant feed and spend money on improving their health and welfare.
 
SocketRocket said:
Yes. Have you watched those poor little kids starving to death and not wondered why their parents are bringing them into the world. It would be better to try and educate them not to have kids they cant feed and spend money on improving their health and welfare.
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You're probably right.. Oh how I wish there wasn't some incredibly wealthy organisation that has brainwashed large swathes of the African continent into believing that contraception is evil.. Damn that religion and its influence on the demise of worldwide society..

Oh, and I like light hearted digs.. Where would we be without humour (except that Capitalism requires an increasing population :D)
 
SocketRocket said:
Yes. Have you watched those poor little kids starving to death and not wondered why their parents are bringing them into the world. It would be better to try and educate them not to have kids they cant feed and spend money on improving their health and welfare.
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And in this country ?

Or is it getting close to the China model of restricting the amount of kids families can have - but just paying them to not have kids

And a lot of people in the third world dont use contraceptive due to their religious beliefs.
 
What we need is another World War, that'll thin out the planet's population somewhat. Schooling problem solved.
:smirk:
 
SocketRocket said:
It's too late for that, the horse has bolted. We are in the middle of a baby boom and you may not have taken it in yet but that tends to increase population :rolleyes:
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Baby booms are not the main reason for population increase.

The main reason is people living longer. 150 years ago, you were lucky if grandparents lived to see their grandkids become youths. Now we have 4-5 generations on earth all at the same time, and not 2-3 generations as the norm. That is the main reason, not baby booms.

Separately, parents helping their kids, buying them books and encouraging them to get off the X-box can give them just as much a leg up in life, as going to the "right" school.
 
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Liverbirdie said:
Baby booms are not the main reason for population increase.

The main reason is people living longer. 150 years ago, you were lucky if grandparents lived to see their grandkids become youths. Now we have 4-5 generations on earth all at the same time, and not 2-3 generations as the norm. That is the main reason, not baby booms.
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Can you support that with some proof?

Here are a few things for you to read:
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/15.5

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/15.2
 
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Liverbirdie said:
Oh, you mean link some "article" that has someone elses words in, instead of using my own brains to say something.

No.

When David Attenborough was born there were 1 billion people on the planet, now we have over 9 billion - all a baby boom?
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Yes, increased birthrate. So you only have a gut feeling to back up your statement. Are you an expert in the subject?
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
And in this country ?

Or is it getting close to the China model of restricting the amount of kids families can have - but just paying them to not have kids

And a lot of people in the third world dont use contraceptive due to their religious beliefs.
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We should restrict benefits to have kids in this country as they dont tend to be starving to death and we dont have a need for increased birth rates. That was brought in after the war.

Educating people on their religious beliefs is a priority in those countries, or do you think it's ok that they produce kids that will starve to death?
 
SocketRocket said:
Yes, increased birthrate. So you only have a gut feeling to back up your statement?
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Leave my gut out of it, just cos it looks like I'm having a baby.....

Do the maths - 3 generations on this earth, compared to 4-5 on this earth - a lot more people. Anyway, I thought we were talking about this country. The same maths works.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Leave my gut out of it, just cos it looks like I'm having a baby.....

Do the maths - 3 generations on this earth, compared to 4-5 on this earth - a lot more people. Anyway, I thought we were talking about this country. The same maths works.
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Look at the links I posted, they are using expert statistics.
 
SocketRocket said:
We should restrict benefits to have kids in this country as they dont tend to be starving to death and we dont have a need for increased birth rates. That was brought in after the war.

Educating people on their religious beliefs is a priority in those countries, or do you think it's ok that they produce kids that will starve to death?
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So people who want to raise families in this country should stop now because we "dont have a need" ?!?!
 
SocketRocket said:
We should restrict benefits to have kids in this country as they dont tend to be starving to death and we dont have a need for increased birth rates. That was brought in after the war.
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Whilst on the surface that sounds like an excellent plan, in reality it wouldn't work. For whatever reason, the first child to die after having benefits cut to the family would result in a media "dirt" storm that would result in never ending hand wringing from the Political Elite. Making children pay the price for the excesses of the adults seems a bit draconian to me..

If you believe that the infrastructure of the UK is creaking under the weight of an increasing population (for whatever reason), and that this infrastructure is being massively underfunded due to the austerity measures imposed by the current Government. Then there are 2 distinct areas which could be at fault..

You can A) Blame the people who use the system.
Or B) Blame the people who do not pay enough to fund the system..

It amazes me that all i ever see on this forum is the blame for the woes of the UK economy laid firmly at the feet of the poorest in society. I don't recall the Teachers bonus system bringing down the economy. Or the unregulated gambling of the Police/Firemans Pension Scheme. I don't recall the Nurses bundling up vast swathes of bad debts and selling them on for huge profits. Or the minimum wage Factory worker "flipping" his homes to make maximum profit..

Make the tax system simpler, and hold people accountable for the tax they are expected to pay.. You never know, we might just be able to build better Hospitals, Schools, Railways, Roads etc...

We're all in this together!! Not from where I'm sitting mate...
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So people who want to raise families in this country should stop now because we "dont have a need" ?!?!
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Who said that? People will naturally want to have children but they should be prepared to support them. Currently many people who have large families are people who cant support them themselves which seems unfair on hard working people who restrict their children based on their income. I would prefer us to stop family allowance but in reality it should be restricted to two children. I still cant get my head around the amount of tax credits we pay, seems to me we should just tax people less and let them keep their money to spend as they wish.
 
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SocketRocket said:
Educate people and reward smaller families. In saying this I am fairly convinced that globally we have passed the critical point where mankind can control the population such that it is not putting too much strain on the planets resources. I guess nature will ultimately find a way of dealing with it.
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Saw a crappy comedy film the other day but the setting was quite interesting.... basically all the thick people were having loads and loads of kids and huge extended families living off benefits whilst the intelligent people mostly had little time for family as they had to work, so one or two kids at most......

Net result was the intelligence of the plant fell as it was swamped with thicko's and we were almost back to the stone age. Not to mix threads but these are the people who contribute the MOST to our election voting..... your future is in the hands of people who live off benefits!!! how awesome is that?!!
 
SocketRocket said:
Who said that? People will naturally want to have children but they should be prepared to support them. Currently many people who have large families are people who cant support them themselves. I would prefer us to stop family allowance but in reality it should be restricted to two children. I still cant get my head around the amount of tax credits we pay, seems to me we should just tax people less and let them keep their money to spend as they wish.
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A great deal majority of people in the country are prepared to support their own children
 
SocketRocket said:
Who said that? People will naturally want to have children but they should be prepared to support them. Currently many people who have large families are people who cant support them themselves which seems unfair on hard working people who restrict their children based on their income.
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It doesn't work.. It'll never work. You are trying to control population by effectively starving the people who have no choice. You are punishing the children for the sins of the parents...

Oh. and the birthrate in England is 1.94 (I think it was in 2012 anyway).
 
JustOne said:
Saw a crappy comedy film the other day but the setting was quite interesting.... basically all the thick people were having loads and loads of kids and huge extended families living off benefits whilst the intelligent people mostly had little time for family as they had to work, so one or two kids at most......

Net result was the intelligence of the plant fell as it was swamped with thicko's and we were almost back to the stone age. Not to mix threads but these are the people who contribute the MOST to our election voting..... your future is in the hands of people who live off benefits!!! how awesome is that?!!
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Idiocracy.. One of my favourite films and a real vision of the Dystopian future... :D
 
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