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Makes me laugh when you hear business owners moaning they can’t get skilled staff.
Why not try training your own!
They want someone else to pay for the training then leave to go and work for them.
Bricklayers are a rare thing these days because firms just brought them in from abroad.
Apprenticeships were the norm once .
Firms used to train the staff they needed for the future, now they just poach somebody else’s.
We had 16 ,four in every year, four days in work and one in college.
It’s cost cutting consequences. And bad management.
 

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That is exactly what I am saying, £13 and some pence an hour. He just got an increase through changing employers so he's got a £2 hour increase. I couldn't believe how poorly paid he is for the skill he needs moving that plant around the roads without touching anything.
Just spoke to lad, ( come out of hospital today having had his appendix out yesterday) £13 is the basic rate around here but there is extra rates if you go over certain hours. I know the government has changed the laws to get more drivers going into class 1. But that will not stop drivers from leaving. It really is a shocking occupation if you are a family man.
 

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Just spoke to lad, ( come out of hospital today having had his appendix out yesterday) £13 is the basic rate around here but there is extra rates if you go over certain hours. I know the government has changed the laws to get more drivers going into class 1. But that will not stop drivers from leaving. It really is a shocking occupation if you are a family man.
The question to ask is: are Truck Drivers who leave going to get better paid jobs.
 
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The question to ask is: are Truck Drivers who leave going to get better paid jobs.
No - quite likely not..

But they will get more amenable/more sociable working arrangements. And many of them think the drop in money is worth it (or, more correctly, that the T&Cs of driving aren't worth the extra money)
 

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No - quite likely not..

But they will get more amenable/more sociable working arrangements. And many of them think the drop in money is worth it (or, more correctly, that the T&Cs of driving aren't worth the extra money)
I think this is it, my lad who came out of hospital yesterday evening was talking to a workmate, married with 3 kids. He left for Scotland 1.00 am Monday morning. He got home 3.pm yesterday. The money can be good but there is a trade off.
 

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My dad was a HGV driver in the 70s 80s he would go to work mon and come home Friday.
Roads were not as good then but it’s not a job I would like to do.
Especially with the muppets on the roads now.
 

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My dad was a HGV driver in the 70s 80s he would go to work mon and come home Friday.
Roads were not as good then but it’s not a job I would like to do.
Especially with the muppets on the roads now.
Has the standard of driving got worse since the 80s or are we just grumpy old men?

There are a lot less drunk drivers these days, that's for sure. My old man used to finish work, drive to the pub, sit in there from 5pm to 8pm getting shit-faced, then drive home. 5 days a week. When I was playing football, it was the norm to have 3 or 4 pints then drive home. Even worse on a Sunday as you were topping up on the skinful you'd had the night before.

Thank god those days are gone.
 

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Has the standard of driving got worse since the 80s or are we just grumpy old men?

There are a lot less drunk drivers these days, that's for sure. My old man used to finish work, drive to the pub, sit in there from 5pm to 8pm getting shit-faced, then drive home. 5 days a week. When I was playing football, it was the norm to have 3 or 4 pints then drive home. Even worse on a Sunday as you were topping up on the skinful you'd had the night before.

Thank god those days are gone.
That’s a shock .
I never did that neither did anyone I know but my licence was my living so was my dads.

But since taking up golf !
Met a few at golf clubs who still do it now.

I was talking about the sober ones in general they don’t need a skinful to be bad drivers.
 

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That’s a shock .
I never did that neither did anyone I know but my licence was my living so was my dads.

But since taking up golf !
Met a few at golf clubs who still do it now.

I was talking about the sober ones in general they don’t need a skinful to be bad drivers.
I've said this before on here but I suspect if the police set up testing sites outside of golf clubs on a Saturday afternoon there would be an awful lot of men and women losing their licences. Not the majority but a definite core who think it doesn't affect them so it is okay. Make that a rural course and I would bet the percentage increases. Sad but true.
 

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I've said this before on here but I suspect if the police set up testing sites outside of golf clubs on a Saturday afternoon there would be an awful lot of men and women losing their licences. Not the majority but a definite core who think it doesn't affect them so it is okay. Make that a rural course and I would bet the percentage increases. Sad but true.
Aside from those who wilffuly have 3 or 4 pints and drive (and I may get slaughtered for this but certainly see that as mainly a generational thing now) people just rely on supposed facts that have not been true for ages, if they ever were. You can drink 2 pints, no you cannot. Aside from the impact of a pint on individuals, most pints are stronger now and many now mean that even 1 pint will put you over the limit. You can have a glass of wine. Glasses were a lot smaller when those rumours started and most measures now would bump you over the limit.

If I am driving I will not touch a drop and if I am driving early the next day, i tend not to drink the night before either.
 

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Aside from those who wilffuly have 3 or 4 pints and drive (and I may get slaughtered for this but certainly see that as mainly a generational thing now) people just rely on supposed facts that have not been true for ages, if they ever were. You can drink 2 pints, no you cannot. Aside from the impact of a pint on individuals, most pints are stronger now and many now mean that even 1 pint will put you over the limit. You can have a glass of wine. Glasses were a lot smaller when those rumours started and most measures now would bump you over the limit.

If I am driving I will not touch a drop and if I am driving early the next day, i tend not to drink the night before either.
Agree with every aspect of this (y).

I've been a member at my course for nearly 5 years now. I have to drive to it and I have never had an alcoholic drink there in all those years. It's a mindset thing, not hard.
 

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Agree with every aspect of this (y).

I've been a member at my course for nearly 5 years now. I have to drive to it and I have never had an alcoholic drink there in all those years. It's a mindset thing, not hard.
Getting a bit off subject but the problem is that the Bar tends to be the focal point inside golf clubs and as such reinforce the drink culture. Maybe it would be better if they were laid out more like a Cafe and alcohol was not on display. This was always a problem in the armed forces, the Mess system was centered around the bar and encouraged people to start drinking early in the day.
 
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Getting a bit off subject but the problem is that the Bar tends to be the focal point inside golf clubs and as such reinforce the drink culture. Maybe it would be better if they were laid out more like a Cafe and alcohol was not on display. This was always a problem in the armed forces, the Mess system was centered around the bar and encouraged people to start drinking early in the day.
Bringing it back to the subject.. does the bar have the right staff these days or is the Pro running it too?
 

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Getting a bit off subject but the problem is that the Bar tends to be the focal point inside golf clubs and as such reinforce the drink culture. Maybe it would be better if they were laid out more like a Cafe and alcohol was not on display. This was always a problem in the armed forces, the Mess system was centered around the bar and encouraged people to start drinking early in the day.
Fully agree, would never happen and would not be supported by most but I would be in favour of ditching the bar and the bar staff, getting in a quality coffee machine and barrista and being a cafe first with a small bottle bar for those who cannot live without a drink. To tie it in with subject matter, the country as a whole will never change when every venue focusses mainly on selling you alcohol then acts all shocked when people get drunk and misbehave.
 

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Getting a bit off subject but the problem is that the Bar tends to be the focal point inside golf clubs and as such reinforce the drink culture. Maybe it would be better if they were laid out more like a Cafe and alcohol was not on display. This was always a problem in the armed forces, the Mess system was centered around the bar and encouraged people to start drinking early in the day.
Fully agree, would never happen and would not be supported by most but I would be in favour of ditching the bar and the bar staff, getting in a quality coffee machine and barrista and being a cafe first with a small bottle bar for those who cannot live without a drink. To tie it in with subject matter, the country as a whole will never change when every venue focusses mainly on selling you alcohol then acts all shocked when people get drunk and misbehave.
Really interesting points. Would any club dare try it? Which will be the first clubs with a Costa franchise in it?
 

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Really interesting points. Would any club dare try it? Which will be the first clubs with a Costa franchise in it?
I would happily buy a drink on arrival, one to take out with me and one on return if there was a decent coffee franchise in the club. On a hot day, an iced coffee or one of the iced fruit drinks they so would be heaven. Far rather that than a beer in the middle of the day.
 

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Fully agree, would never happen and would not be supported by most but I would be in favour of ditching the bar and the bar staff, getting in a quality coffee machine and barrista and being a cafe first with a small bottle bar for those who cannot live without a drink. To tie it in with subject matter, the country as a whole will never change when every venue focusses mainly on selling you alcohol then acts all shocked when people get drunk and misbehave.
Id much rather a decent cafe type place to eat after a round than a bar

Would be great to see a club do it
 
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