Golf subs for 2014

GreiginFife said:
Insurance? You mean a complex set of calculations that are based on statistical evidence gathered over a number of years and then used to determine a probibility factor? Hmm, let me think? I would probably say no.

Saga? What do Saga do? Do they provide the same access to a cruise ship (for example) to younger people but charge more for the priviledge? I'm not so sure that they do?
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No Saga technically discriminate on age. If you are under a certain age you cannot use their services. And golf clubs can say they have done huge amounts of market research and probability and statistical analysis and concluded that not many young people will pay full whack, so they are charging a lower price. Same difference, so called age discrimination does go on.
 
jimbob.someroo said:
What about those that aren't mollycoddled and move away from home for work. There was a survey done last year, 18-30 year old are by far and away lesser paid on average than any other working age group, including the 60+ age.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/22/pay-salaries-survey-ashe-ons

People who have moved away from home, especially to London, have a lot less disposable income than people in their 30's+ whether they have a mortgage or not. I would guess that my £700+ house bills and rent are as high as the majority of mortgages, and there's only one of me paying it, rather than a couple. Not to mention the fact that my wage is almost certainly less than every 30+ year old adult in the country (not just london), how can it not be fair to have incremental membership for those at the start of their careers?
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Because golf is a hobby. How can it be fair for those that (apparently) have worked hard to build up their careers and earnings to subsidse your hobby?
If someone has chosen to move to London to work then surely they factor in thier choices to their ability to sustain a hobby?
I had to give up membership for 3 years because I had other committments, should I have expected someone esle to subsidise me becuase I made the choice to have other committments?
 
HawkeyeMS said:
I earnt less at when I left uni, but had considerably more disposable income. If I'd have wanted to join a golf club, I could easily have afforded full rate at a better course than I am at now.

Which is my whole point about age being the wrong thing to use as a subs bracket.
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Whose choice is it in regards the disposable income ?

A flat rate will never work in golf clubs - it's why clubs don't do them
 
GreiginFife said:
You mean paying for the CHOICE of going to uni? Ah well why didn't you just say so. I am happy to subsidise the remaining life choices they make then.
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You chose to pay for golf - if you don't like it then don't pay it. You aren't being forced by anyone.

A lot of new jobs require people to have degrees so people need to go to uni to get a good job
 
Hacker Khan said:
No Saga technically discriminate on age. If you are under a certain age you cannot use their services. And golf clubs can say they have done huge amounts of market research and probability and statistical analysis and concluded that not many young people will pay full whack, so they are charging a lower price. Same difference, so called age discrimination does go on.
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The golf club isn't saying I can't use the service. They are saying I can use the same service as somone 6 years younger than me for nearly double the cost. That's fair is it?
I am not saying that discrimination doesn't go on. I'm asking are we as a forum (or those in favour of age based subs) saying that it should!
 
jimbob.someroo said:
What about those that aren't mollycoddled and move away from home for work. There was a survey done last year, 18-30 year old are by far and away lesser paid on average than any other working age group, including the 60+ age.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/22/pay-salaries-survey-ashe-ons

People who have moved away from home, especially to London, have a lot less disposable income than people in their 30's+ whether they have a mortgage or not. I would guess that my £700+ house bills and rent are as high as the majority of mortgages, and there's only one of me paying it, rather than a couple. Not to mention the fact that my wage is almost certainly less than every 30+ year old adult in the country (not just london), how can it not be fair to have incremental membership for those at the start of their careers?
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Sorry Jimbob but have ya ever heard if you cant afford it maybe you shouldnt have it ? why should someone who has their finances under control for what ever reason subsadise someone who hasn't ? apologies but its nuts to think someone should subsadise your hobby or past time mate
 
To be honest, I think this "fair" argument is pointless. We live in a capitalist society. Golf courses charge what they need to, to attract the people they want, to run the course as they want best.

I would be interested, does anyone who wants equal payment for all ages, also support golf clubs being male or female only>?
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Income_distribution_across_age_bands

Soources on the page. It's 2004-5, to be fair, but are you really saying that much has changed?

I actually can't believe this is the point you're arguing? Where do you get the idea that younger people are getting such amazing jobs?!
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That's not the point I'm arguing. I'm saying that it is unfair for people to subsidise the hobby of others utilising the same facilities but being charged more. If you think thats FAIR then that's your opinion. It is mine that it is not.
I would not offer to sell you my car for £1k less than someone who is over 30 just because I think they earn more than you?

Anyhow, that's my opinion. Obviously the people that benefit from these schemes are hardly going to agree with me.
 
GreiginFife said:
You mean paying for the CHOICE of going to uni? Ah well why didn't you just say so. I am happy to subsidise the remaining life choices they make then.
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Yes, you are right, by trying to get an education they have brought it on themselves and they should have thought about this if they wanted to have the privilege and honour of joining a golf club. And whilst they are at it they should do something about the increasingly unaffordable property market whilst they are at it as well before they moan about not being able to afford golf club fees, the selfish ******ds :confused:
 
GreiginFife said:
The golf club isn't saying I can't use the service. They are saying I can use the same service as somone 6 years younger than me for nearly double the cost. That's fair is it?
I am not saying that discrimination doesn't go on. I'm asking are we as a forum (or those in favour of age based subs) saying that it should!
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Then bring it up at the AGM.

Did you volunteer to pay higher fees in your 20's and will you volunteer to pay higher fees in your 60's
 
GreiginFife said:
That's not the point I'm arguing. I'm saying that it is unfair for people to subsidise the hobby of others utilising the same facilities but being charged more. If you think thats FAIR then that's your opinion. It is mine that it is not.
I would not offer to sell you my car for £1k less than someone who is over 30 just because I think they earn more than you?

Anyhow, that's my opinion. Obviously the people that benefit from these schemes are hardly going to agree with me.
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I don't benefit from any scheme - I pay full whack.

But I'm open enough to understand the reasons why certain age groups pay less and the effect it would have on a golf club if a flat rate was introduced.

Two crucial parts of a golf club are it's younger members and it's senior section

One is the future and one keeps the club alive.
 
bladeplayer said:
Sorry Jimbob but have ya ever heard if you cant afford it maybe you shouldnt have it ? why should someone who has their finances under control for what ever reason subsadise someone who hasn't ? apologies but its nuts to think someone should subsadise your hobby or past time mate
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But I can afford it, at subsidised rates. And when I'm 27/28 should be able to afford it at full price rates.

If me and 10 other 18-28 year olds left (like I said earlier, a very conservative estimate) because the club decided we were going to be charged full rate, then the rest of the club would pay more money? Why would the rest of the club want that?

If I wasn't allowed to join the club next year on the incremental rate (which will be about £1000), I would spend that same amount playing at other courses as a nomad. Surely clubs would prefer to take all of that £1000 off me, as opposed to maybe one or two green fees of £25?

I pay the maximum the club think I will, without jumping ship. It's a balancing act as it is with everyone's membership. If they put it up by £500 this year, I'd go elsewhere where it was cheaper, as would many others, and as a result, full adult membership would go up. Which is the reason that they have this in place ...
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You chose to pay for golf - if you don't like it then don't pay it. You aren't being forced by anyone.

A lot of new jobs require people to have degrees so people need to go to uni to get a good job
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Indeed I do. And I do it because I can afford to do it. I CHOOSE to do it and I CANafford to. If you cannot afford to do it why expect subsidy from others, why not wait until you can do afford it?

A lot of new jobs don't need a degree. But whether they do or not it is still a choice to go to Uni and once that is over, as hard as it might be to not play golf, well sometimes we need to make tough choices.

We all have to be accountable for the choices we make.
 
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