Golf Cart Ignorance

[Airlie_Andy]

Why blame the buggies for the slow play though? If players are slow they are going to be slow whether they carry, use a trolley or use a buggy. The few times we use a buggy we do exactly as Homer suggested in his post. In fact with a clear course we have got round in under 2 hours with a buggy whereas on foot our fastest is just under 3 hours. Some just seem to have an irrational dislike of buggies and think it's only for lazy people. I have no problem with anyone using a buggy but I do have a problem with bad etiquette and avoidable slow play but that can occur regardless of how you transport your clubs around the course.

 

[Bash]

There's a rant if I ever read one, the chances are they would have held you up the same if they walked the course.

My thoughts exactly. They got a cart. Maybe Dave B should get a life. Pointless thread from a 'victor meldrew'
Sorry, but I say as I see

 

[Dave B]

Bash I don't like it when posts get personal but maybe you should learn to read and take in what has been said.

The cart wasn't the problem, it was the way it was used and the etiquatte and lack of consideration by the people using the cart.

So that you can understand imagine a four ball on foot. Normal practice is you hit the ball, walk to it and take your next shot, while the other players in your party do exactly the same. This is normal play and does not normally hold up play.

Now going back to the four ball if they didn't have the trolley, were on foot and all four players took their shot and then went to the first ball, waited for the first player to take his shot while giving advice before all moving on to the next players ball repeating this scenario with each ball they played would you be happy?

The fact that they ignored the request by the club officials to let the competion players through after we had let them through tells a story as does the fact that disciplinary action may also be taken.

I'm 46, fit and healthy and I play with a lot of older and younger players, however one of the things that does annoy me is that there is a code of ethics in golf known as etiquatte and courtesy. Unfortunately it seems that it is dying a death as are manners and respect in todays modern society.

In addition on forums like this we also have key board assasins, who don't read the posts correctly, jump on the band waggon and make posts personnal by telling people to get a life when in reality they should be looking in the mirror.

 

[Slab]

You say the cart wasn't the problem but to be fair Dave B your opening post is quite chunky and in the first paragragh you say that the annoying thing for you was that the lads using the cart were in their 20's (not that they didn't use it correctly which you refer to later)

Your last paragraph then says they were too lazy to walk and through the post on a couple of occasions you refer/compare their apparent fitness to those you suggest should use a cart, all this together and you can maybe see why some have read it thinking that the fact that these guys used a cart is what you have a problem with (along with the way they used it)

Your distaste for them just using a cart comes over much stronger than how you felt about the poor etiquette

Not to dwell on the assasination of refering to them as clueless & lazy!

 

[Dave B]

Slab you are correct and in hindsight my post was rash and open to misinterpretation. The clueless remark was with regard to etiquatte and courtesy but doesn't come over that way so for that I apologise to any who misinterpreted the post.

With regard to lazy I'll have to sand by my original statement because there is no reason why they could have not driven to a central point and walked 20 yds or so each to take their respective shots.

In hindsight I wish I had not posted my frustrations on the forum to see if other golfers had experienced the same problems at their clubs. My apologies to all.

 

[Slab]

No apology needed for me as for all that it was still an interesting read

Personally I'm actually missing the walk up the fairway but I'm playing courses just now where its crazy hot & carts are the norm for virtually the whole field (I've only seen one guy walking on my last outing)

 

[Bash]

Bash I don't like it when posts get personal but maybe you should learn to read and take in what has been said.


In addition on forums like this we also have key board assasins, who don't read the posts correctly, jump on the band waggon and make posts personnal by telling people to get a life when in reality they should be looking in the mirror.

Sorry if I've offended Dave B, but I did read your opening thread and it seemed to me that regardless of whether they had a cart or not it would have been painful following them. You also appeared to have strong views on who should be using buggies, not 20 year olds who can hardly hit a ball, but resrved for the elderley and disabled. (a comment which I'm sure many of our older members would disagree with). I retire this year and carry my clubs for 4 months of the year and use a push trolley the rest of the time.

Unfortunately we all, at some time, get held up by people who are painfully slow (for whatever reason). Most of us might have a moan to our mates at the time and get it out of our system, but then that's the end of it. It happens. If they want to spend their money on a buggy, when apparently young and fit, then that's up to them, surely.

Sorry Dave, but I just thought your thread was a rant about the slow play, and the whole issue of them having a buggy made it seem more so. I accept my comments may have been a little on the 'direct' side, and apologise. However, I don't want to get an argument over this and will just say no more on the matter


(But I still think it was just a rant (lol))

 

[Dave B]

Bash no need to apologise as I've re-read my original post and it was poor by my usual standard. I'd like to repay your apology in kind as when I responded to your post I assumed you were a younger player

 

[Whee]

At our course, you always play with buggies. I wouldn't fancy walking 8km in 30-55C so it makes sense.

To keep things ticking over, we do as Homer suggested in his post. Whoevers driving will go to the nearest ball, and the other will either wait, if their ball is in front, or drive to their own if it is to the side.

I reckon using the buggies has probably prevented an emergency on the course.

 

[papyt]

Maybe we should make everyone have to drag a sack of rocks around as well? I play golf to relax, I'm a very fit person and if I want to get the heart rate up I'll work out or play football etc. If I fancy a change of pace and just want hit a few balls and occasionally use a buggy who are you to tell me I shouldn't? Those who carry moan about the trolley users. Trolley users moan about the buggy users and buggy users moan about all miserable buggers who moan about people not playing the game how they want them to. If it bothers people that much they should petition the club to ban them. Can't see them getting much joy though.

i don't care if you use a buggy or not as long as you adhere to etiquette when using it and don't slow up play,as for the get fitter or lose weight comment,it took years for the game to be classed as a sport and not just a fat mans game or cant do any proper sport so i play golf and nothing gets my blood boiling than seeing a grossly overweight hacker driving a buggy zig zagging across a fairway,and how can you play your best if by the 13th your gasping for breath and exhausted does fitness not come into golf or is it a game for unfit fat bank managers?

 

[Dave3498]

I use a buggy when I am playing overseas. My wife, who doesn't play, is very pleased to drive the buggy and finds golf courses are very attractive places to be. Buggies also enable me to play in May/June in Spain and Algarve when the temperature is too high to walk comfortably. I can't understand 20 year olds needing buggies in the UK. I think they should walk and carry their bags. I wish I was young and fit enough to do so.

 

[Airlie_Andy]

i don't care if you use a buggy or not as long as you adhere to etiquette when using it and don't slow up play,as for the get fitter or lose weight comment,it took years for the game to be classed as a sport and not just a fat mans game or cant do any proper sport so i play golf and nothing gets my blood boiling than seeing a grossly overweight hacker driving a buggy zig zagging across a fairway,and how can you play your best if by the 13th your gasping for breath and exhausted does fitness not come into golf or is it a game for unfit fat bank managers?

I hate slow play and always try to follow good etiquette. I only occasionally use a buggy and it's usually my playing partner who suggests it and he's younger and fitter than me!! For me golf is a game of skill and judgement rather than who is the fittest. You can be fit and rubbish (much like me) or overweight and brilliant which is the whole appeal of this great game. Physical prowess means nothing and a small overweight fella has just as much chance as a 6'4" body builder. If players fancy a change of pace and decide to use a buggy I really don't see the problem. Being fit or lazy has absolutely nothing to do with it. Golf isn't exercise for me it's a game I play to enjoy and relax. If the only reason for objecting to buggies is that you think it's lazy then I'm sorry but it's just not a valid arguement.

 

[jammag]

Its not the fact of needing a buggy, its the fact of using one to increase there enjoyment of the sport. You walk to enjoy it more they hire a buggy to enjoy it more, they may not slam you so why the need to slam the 20 year olds who are fit who decide to hire one. Golf is not an energetic sport you dont need to be fit to swing a club to an extent. You play the game to enjoy it so what difference does it make if someone decides they wish to enjoy the game in a different way.

Dave to your credit I think you see why it riled certain people up as it seemed like you moaned about the cart but I do understand your frustration at those who cannot utilise them to the best techniques as such. Slow play doesnt help anyone and I hope the lads in question are guided and not told off as such as that doesnt always help anyone.

 

[dixie46]

I'm with Dave on this one - I have no problem with carts on the course but there seems to be a definite category of user and, at our place, on a Saturday afternoon it's the young lads with no idea of etiquette. Bizarrely, the carts seem to be the reason they're on the course at all as they're all budding Lewis Hamilton's and playing golf shots the excuse to race to the next one. For example, last weekend, a 'society' of 16, four carts, one tee side bin set on fire (excuse - an unextinguished fag) and a banana skin shoved into the flag hole on 18 (wasn't us guv). I accept in these hard financial times every club has to prostitute themselves for income but these guys should not be welcomed back.

 

[triple_bogey]

From the sounds of it, this fourball of 20 year olds maybe have just started the game and was enjoying themselves. Its obvious they do not know the rules or etiquette of golf just yet.
I'm not going to lie, I was in the same position when I first started. And everyone will be a lying SOB if they say otherwise.

*Since we are all having a moan. Played behind a fourball of 40-60 year olds today.
They were all wearing Ricky Fowler style colored clothing. It offended me highly....and from the looks of it, they don't seem to exercise much either. How dare they wear bright athletic colors. I'm thinking of writing a letter to the committee.......what do you guys think??

 

[papyt]

From the sounds of it, this four ball of 20 year olds maybe have just started the game and was enjoying themselves. Its obvious they do not know the rules or etiquette of golf just yet.
I'm not going to lie, I was in the same position when I first started. And everyone will be a lying SOB if they say otherwise.

*Since we are all having a moan. Played behind a four ball of 40-60 year olds today.
They were all wearing Ricky Fowler style colored clothing. It offended me highly....and from the looks of it, they don't seem to exercise much either. How dare they wear bright athletic colors. I'm thinking of writing a letter to the committee.......what do you guys think??

and what is the problem with them wearing trendy clothes,were they slowing play up or causing a nuisance or damaging the course,im54 and i wear the latest gear,and isn't it about fun,i get more annoyed at hackers who have a bag the size of a house and the latest trolley play of 20+ and don't know one end of a club from the other and constantly moan about hitting a bad shot or being unlucky when the put for an 8 lips out