Gary Player

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Not a huge amount of love being shown for the antics and self-promotion of Player, but in truth I find him not that different from Lee Trevino in the look-at-me stakes. That said I can put up with a bit more of Trevino’s nonsense as I think he knows his behaviour is just that...nonsense...and maybe Player just rather lacks self-awareness and takes himself a teensie bit too seriously.
 
Player was a member of one of my old clubs, I first met him when I was an 11 year old, prior to his 1959 Open win.

He was talking to the club captain who introduced me to him not knowing that I had spoken to Gary earlier.
His reply 'I've known Doon since he was a young boy', rather surprised the captain.
 
All said and done my club is rather proud of our connections with Player as he was a close friend of Bobby Locke when Player first joined the European tour - Locke being a regular at my place with Player an occasional visitor. In fact Locke, Player and Alliss played an exhibition 3 ball back in the 1950s celebrating something or other (that I should know but can’t recall). Aside - to this day the perfect tee shot on our 9th is to a small area referred to as ‘Locke’s Ledge’ as that is where Locke always put his tee shot.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
All said and done my club is rather proud of our connections with Player as he was a close friend of Bobby Locke when Player first joined the European tour - Locke being a regular at my place with Player an occasional visitor. In fact Locke, Player and Alliss played an exhibition 3 ball back in the 1950s celebrating something or other (that I should know but can’t recall). Aside - to this day the perfect tee shot on our 9th is to a small area referred to as ‘Locke’s Ledge’ as that is where Locke always put his tee shot.
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Do you remember Sewsunker Segolum.....totally self taught ex caddie with a cawrie pawed grip and huge overswing. Great player despite that.
Player sponsored him in the UK for a couple of summers in the 1950's.

Sewsunker Sewgolum - Wikipedia
 
As far as future Masters starters is concerned, I think Phil Mick and Tiger are nailed on, and Watson and Crenshaw have got to be in with a shout. Not sure they see Faldo, Langer and Olazabal as such key parts of history. If Seve was still alive, though ....
 
Faldo has won the Masters 3 times

You would expect he wouldn’t be part of the honorary starter despite the number of Green Jackets because it’s Faldo
 
Ethan said:
As far as future Masters starters is concerned, I think Phil Mick and Tiger are nailed on, and Watson and Crenshaw have got to be in with a shout. Not sure they see Faldo, Langer and Olazabal as such key parts of history. If Seve was still alive, though ....
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So just the American ones then?
 
I would expect multiple champions to come ahead of single champions and of those, who left a greater mark for whatever reason to get a little nudge up as well. How you define that is subjective but surely number of wins has to come into it.

I suspect, no basis for this, that after Nicklaus and Player have moved on, that they may rotate a little more as until Tiger and Phil reach that stage no one has dominated in the same way as the most recent group. This might mean that you could have Crenshaw, Woosnam and Lyle one year, Faldo, Mize and Langer another. I'm sure the likes of Langer will not want to do the role until he can no longer play in the tournament itself but I think the principle is sound.
 
You’d think Watson and Crenshaw are nailed on, supposedly Crenshaw runs the Tuesday dinner. Be lovely to see Sandy trot out there in his braces, ill-fitting waterproof and 1-iron but don’t suppose it will happen
 
banjofred said:
Do people still think the Masters isn't a prejudiced place?

An old article https://medium.com/@michaelmargulis...-racism-classism-sexism-and-golf-23cda988f391) but while things are changing.....not very willingly....

Golfers just keep ignoring things because it's a "nice" golf course.
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First thing is the article is 6 years old and that debate has been had

Yes Augusta just like the whole of the US has had in the past huge racism issues and in many areas it still happens as can be seen over the last 12 months

Golf as a sport and indeed Augusta has done a lot of work to try and break down the barriers and people in many areas aren’t denied entry into golf because of the colour of their skin.

Things don’t change overnight and it will take a long time for black men and indeed ladies to move to play golf instead of the traditional big sports in the US - American Football , Baseball and Basketball
 
I was actually born in South Africa in 1971.

My Mum And Dad emigrated out there from 1966-1972.

My golf mad father came across Mr Player on multiple occasions back then and had nothing but respect for the man and the way he treated everyone including the Black community at a time when that was actually frowned upon.

His son however has previous and seems to be a total idiot and deserves his punishment.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
First thing is the article is 6 years old and that debate has been had

Yes Augusta just like the whole of the US has had in the past huge racism issues and in many areas it still happens as can be seen over the last 12 months

Golf as a sport and indeed Augusta has done a lot of work to try and break down the barriers and people in many areas aren’t denied entry into golf because of the colour of their skin.

Things don’t change overnight and it will take a long time for black men and indeed ladies to move to play golf instead of the traditional big sports in the US - American Football , Baseball and Basketball
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Seems like I mentioned the article wasn't recent....which is why I used the word old. But thanks for repeating it.....
Yep, racism is still an issue in the US.....not sure why you just point out the US problems and don't include the UK in it, by hey ho.
 
QUOTE="banjofred, post: 2339093, member: 27943"]Seems like I mentioned the article wasn't recent....which is why I used the word old. But thanks for repeating it.....
Yep, racism is still an issue in the US.....not sure why you just point out the US problems and don't include the UK in it, by hey ho.[/QUOTE]

Suits agenda
 
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