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[davidy233]

Yeah cause he's ripping the premier league apart!!!

EDIT: You referred to them as average as well. Not me. I agree with you though.

Ross McCormack was a good but not particularly outstanding SPL player - as was Robert Snodgrass (actually he was playing outside the top division) - both of them did OK down South in a Leeds side which was obviously only ever going to be a stepping stone to something better - a club a bit like Bolton actually

 

[Grogger]

Ross McCormack was a good but not particularly outstanding SPL player - as was Robert Snodgrass (actually he was playing outside the top division) - both of them did OK down South in a Leeds side which was obviously only ever going to be a stepping stone to something better - a club a bit like Bolton actually

Hahahaha Ross McCormack went to something better!!

Fulham!!!
Good try :rofl:

The SPL is terrible and I feel for Scottish football fans having to endure it. Lennon was never going to do badly at Celtic. Ronny Deila is terrible yet he's still won silverware and will probably win the league this year. Not sure why the 2 people on here who've quoted my posts seem to think I have a problem with some Scottish players?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Hmmm, I hope you do mean Gary and have just forgotten about Stephen

Alan Hutton
Charlie Adam
Jelavic
Wanyama
Forster

All quickly off the top of my head have left Scotland for the Premiership and done well

The bottom three on that list aren't Scottish, and the other two I wouldn't pay in washers.

As for which of the Naismiths I meant, it is the one currently struggling to get in the Norwich side struggling near the bottom.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Hahahaha Ross McCormack went to something better!!

Fulham!!!
Good try :rofl:

The SPL is terrible and I feel for Scottish football fans having to endure it. Lennon was never going to do badly at Celtic. Ronny Deila is terrible yet he's still won silverware and will probably win the league this year. Not sure why the 2 people on here who've quoted my posts seem to think I have a problem with some Scottish players?

Only until the summer and then he's gone. Lennon was on a hiding to nothing given everything that was going on off the pitch and it had to have had an effect on him and the players. I hope they can get things back on an even keel now Holdsworth has taken over and they can get back to the Championship next year and the PL in seasons to come

 

[Val]

The bottom three on that list aren't Scottish, and the other two I wouldn't pay in washers.

As for which of the Naismiths I meant, it is the one currently struggling to get in the Norwich side struggling near the bottom.

Who mentioned Scottish? The phrase used was players from the SPL who moved to the Premiership. There are tonnes of players I could mention.

As for Naismith, it will be both Naismiths who starred for Everton and did very well. Stephen Naismith moved to Norwich at the end of the Jan transfer window and scored on his debut, hardly struggling to get in the side is he? Gary Naismith played at Everton for years after moving from Hearts and he's now managing in Scotland I believe.

Hutton and Adam played with top sides and do fine at both but granted both not at the level the once were.

If you are going to have a dig at least be accurate.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Who mentioned Scottish? The phrase used was players from the SPL who moved to the Premiership. There are tonnes of players I could mention.

As for Naismith, it will be both Naismiths who starred for Everton and did very well. Stephen Naismith moved to Norwich at the end of the Jan transfer window and scored on his debut, hardly struggling to get in the side is he? Gary Naismith played at Everton for years after moving from Hearts and he's now managing in Scotland I believe.

Hutton and Adam played with top sides and do fine at both but granted both not at the level the once were.

If you are going to have a dig at least be accurate.

I am being very accurate.

Adam was hardly a roaring success at Liverpool, has been very mixed at Stoke and was only really successful at Blackpool, primarily in the Championship.

Hutton is, has and always will be a poor full-back at the Premier League level and after his initial impact at Norwich Naismith cannot currently get in the team that is really struggling for goals.

In the past there have been some truly great players who have come South like Hansen, Dalglish etc; but that haslong since become a distant memory. Nowadays they are far more likely to be found in the Championship.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I am being very accurate.

Adam was hardly a roaring success at Liverpool, has been very mixed at Stoke and was only really successful at Blackpool, primarily in the Championship.

Hutton is, has and always will be a poor full-back at the Premier League level and after his initial impact at Norwich Naismith cannot currently get in the team that is really struggling for goals.

In the past there have been some truly great players who have come South like Hansen, Dalglish etc; but that haslong since become a distant memory. Nowadays they are far more likely to be found in the Championship.

Nobody was talking about greats.........Grogger obviously has a bit of a chip on his shoulder with SPL footballers.
As this thread was about fans he quickly turned that around.

Nobody has even mentioned that regular EPL player Whittaker yet:lol:

 

[Grogger]

Nobody was talking about greats.........Grogger obviously has a bit of a chip on his shoulder with Scots footballers.
As this thread was about fans he quickly turned that around.

Nobody has even mentioned that regular EPL player Whittaker yet:lol:

Do I?

Considering my clubs greatest ever player was Scottish I don't think you're correct. All I said was that the SPL is a terrible standard of football. Which is true. Any manager can do well in that league with financial backing. Lennon being the prime example.

My first post on here was on topic. I never even mentioned any Scottish footballers.

 

[Val]

I am being very accurate.

Adam was hardly a roaring success at Liverpool, has been very mixed at Stoke and was only really successful at Blackpool, primarily in the Championship.

Hutton is, has and always will be a poor full-back at the Premier League level and after his initial impact at Norwich Naismith cannot currently get in the team that is really struggling for goals.

In the past there have been some truly great players who have come South like Hansen, Dalglish etc; but that haslong since become a distant memory. Nowadays they are far more likely to be found in the Championship.

You weren't being accurate when you discounted non Scottish players who moved the the Premiership from Scotland. In the context of the discussion all relevant and many excellent like Forster and Wanyam as mention plus, Cuellar, Boomsong, Gordon, even Steven Fletcher has had his moments of brilliance but fleetingly, likewise Whittaker, there's Alan McGregor who did fine in the Premiership and will likely return when Hull go up, Boruc all be it via Italy, likewise Larsson via Spain and many many others. It would probably surprise you because you are just thinking Scottish.

Hutton isn't a defender, he should have been a winger. He was amazing going forward and I understand why Spurs took him but he couldn't defend worth a monkeys. Disagree on Adam, he done ok at Liverpool and has been very good for Stoke.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You weren't being accurate when you discounted non Scottish players who moved the the Premiership from Scotland. In the context of the discussion all relevant and many excellent like Forster and Wanyam as mention plus, Cuellar, Boomsong, Gordon, even Steven Fletcher has had his moments of brilliance but fleetingly, likewise Whittaker, there's Alan McGregor who did fine in the Premiership and will likely return when Hull go up, Boruc all be it via Italy, likewise Larsson via Spain and many many others. It would probably surprise you because you are just thinking Scottish.

Hutton isn't a defender, he should have been a winger. He was amazing going forward and I understand why Spurs took him but he couldn't defend worth a monkeys. Disagree on Adam, he done ok at Liverpool and has been very good for Stoke.

You were doing well until mentioned Boomsong

Adam was a carthorse for us - still can't believe Kenny signed him

But there has been plenty of decent players that have moved from the SPL into the Prem and done well and plenty more will come.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

You weren't being accurate when you discounted non Scottish players who moved the the Premiership from Scotland. In the context of the discussion all relevant and many excellent like Forster and Wanyam as mention plus, Cuellar, Boomsong, Gordon, even Steven Fletcher has had his moments of brilliance but fleetingly, likewise Whittaker, there's Alan McGregor who did fine in the Premiership and will likely return when Hull go up, Boruc all be it via Italy, likewise Larsson via Spain and many many others. It would probably surprise you because you are just thinking Scottish.

Hutton isn't a defender, he should have been a winger. He was amazing going forward and I understand why Spurs took him but he couldn't defend worth a monkeys. Disagree on Adam, he done ok at Liverpool and has been very good for Stoke.

Not many Liverpool or Stoke fans would agree with you.

Back to the point about Lennon he has never previously been tested as a manager since at Celtic he enjoyed such an advantage over the other teams.

At Bolton, according to their fans on here, he wasted money and when that ran out proved to be incapable of motivating his players.

The chance of him managing in the Premier League in the foreseeable future would seem remote at the very least.

BTW I think your inclusion of Craig Gordon, Carlos Cuellar and Boomsong smacks of desperation. None exactly made a mark down here, well not a positive one anyway.

 

[Val]

You were doing well until mentioned Boomsong

Adam was a carthorse for us - still can't believe Kenny signed him

But there has been plenty of decent players that have moved from the SPL into the Prem and done well and plenty more will come.

Ok, Boomsong was a dud and Rangers stole that money. I thought Adam did ok at Liverpool but the jersey might just have been too big for him. Talented lad

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ok, Boomsong was a dud and Rangers stole that money. I thought Adam did ok at Liverpool but the jersey might just have been too big for him. Talented lad

I think he has a very good left foot but a bollard has more movement and he is a bit nasty and snidey with it. Can hit a great ball though with that left foot.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Back to the point about Lennon he has never previously been tested as a manager since at Celtic he enjoyed such an advantage over the other teams.

In his first year he was still competing with Rangers. OK they were starting to meltdown but at least there was a domestic contest. He also took Celtic to the last 16 of the Champions League which is a great achievement for a Scottish club considering the financial disparity nowadays. Pretty sure they beat Barcelona as well? How's Wenger and Arsenal getting on with that?

All the "SPL isn't as good as EPL" chat is incredibly tedious and news to absolutely nobody.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

In his first year he was still competing with Rangers. OK they were starting to meltdown but at least there was a domestic contest. He also took Celtic to the last 16 of the Champions League which is a great achievement for a Scottish club considering the financial disparity nowadays. Pretty sure they beat Barcelona as well? How's Wenger and Arsenal getting on with that?

All the "SPL isn't as good as EPL" chat is incredibly tedious and news to absolutely nobody.

I agree it is tedious but wasn't that the original point; why had Lennon succeeded in Scotland but failed at Bolton?

 

[Val]

Not many Liverpool or Stoke fans would agree with you.

Back to the point about Lennon he has never previously been tested as a manager since at Celtic he enjoyed such an advantage over the other teams.

At Bolton, according to their fans on here, he wasted money and when that ran out proved to be incapable of motivating his players.

The chance of him managing in the Premier League in the foreseeable future would seem remote at the very least.

Never tested? In sure Pep would have liked another go at him at Celtic Park.

You can't say he was never tested when he took an average Celtic side to the CL last 16 and managed to get to the group stages through the qualifiers

Neil Lennon never got the credit he deserves at Celtic, Ronnie Deilas struggles particularly in Europe should tell you how good a job he done. Both Strachan and O'Neil had better teams that Lennon and Lennon probably just has the better record on them.

I agree on his chances on managing in the Premiership though, very remote but reckon at the right job he could do a Martinez

 

[FairwayDodger]

I agree it is tedious but wasn't that the original point; why had Lennon succeeded in Scotland but failed at Bolton?

He went from a stable club to a basket case. Scotland v England thing is a red herring.

 

[Val]

I agree it is tedious but wasn't that the original point; why had Lennon succeeded in Scotland but failed at Bolton?

I think it's quite obvious to anyone why he's failed this year, does that turn him into a bad coach? Why did Lambert and those before fail at Villa despite doing well in England at previous clubs? Boardroom trouble is the death for managers

 

[HomerJSimpson]

He went from a stable club to a basket case. Scotland v England thing is a red herring.

Money to spend vs skint. Mind you I like the basket case analogy for Bolton's woes

 

[Midnight]

As I said at the start , I only picked Lennon due to being one of the latest to go not to have a go at whose leauge is best.

You could look at Eddie Howe(don't know if I spelt it correctly) for another good example. Has been cracking at Bournemouth but what went wrong at Burnley?