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[Swango1980]

Horner charges dismissed

Thank goodness for internal investigations...

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Thank goodness for internal investigations...

Indeed. I for one, am absolutely shocked that they came to this decision. Who could possibly imagined this outcome?

 

[Beedee]

Apropos of nothing, I wonder if huge staff pay-offs and the costs of drawing up NDAs are included in the cost cap.

 

[bobmac]

Which reminds me...apparently FIA president Mohammed ben Sulayem insists he would not hesitate to bring disgraced former Formula 1 race director Michael Masi back to the sport.

That will go down well

 

[Reemul]

Well I am sure all of us employees would expect an investigation in our work place to be done by our employer not an independent tribunal, that is standard. Generally when work do an investigation and they want you out you are out regardless and I can say having been involved in many of them it's not difficult to find some to get rid of them.

The fact Horner did nothing makes me think he actually did nothing but you tin foil hatters can get on with it while I eat my popcorn

 

[Swango1980]

Well I am sure all of us employees would expect an investigation in our work place to be done by our employer not an independent tribunal, that is standard. Generally when work do an investigation and they want you out you are out regardless and I can say having been involved in many of them it's not difficult to find some to get rid of them.

The fact Horner did nothing makes me think he actually did nothing but you tin foil hatters can get on with it while I eat my popcorn

I wasn't suggesting a conspiracy, he may well have done nothing.

I was simply suggesting I suspected no other result from the internal investigation.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I wasn't suggesting a conspiracy, he may well have done nothing.

I was simply suggesting I suspected no other result from the internal investigation.

He was innocent enough to offer the person who made the complaint a hefty sum to keep quiet!

 

[bobmac]

He was innocent enough to offer the person who made the complaint a hefty sum to keep quiet!

Is that true or just gossip?

 

[Reemul]

Is that true or just gossip?

Total gossip posted on social media as the truth. As far as anyone is aware absolutley nothing about anything has been revealed about the case except there was one and now he did nothing wrong and the fact it cxame out is the only thing wrong about ti. Except all the little gossipy little people that are happy to post any old stuff, i would be embarassed if that was me doing that.

I watched that idiot on Sky Craig Slater tie himeself in knots trying to come out with anything interesting while admitting they knew nothing and Martin Brundle suggesting they would be best shutting up if they nothing, doesn't make good news or forum gossip does it though.

 

[Swango1980]

Total gossip posted on social media as the truth. As far as anyone is aware absolutley nothing about anything has been revealed about the case except there was one and now he did nothing wrong and the fact it cxame out is the only thing wrong about ti. Except all the little gossipy little people that are happy to post any old stuff, i would be embarassed if that was me doing that.

I watched that idiot on Sky Craig Slater tie himeself in knots trying to come out with anything interesting while admitting they knew nothing and Martin Brundle suggesting they would be best shutting up if they nothing, doesn't make good news or forum gossip does it though.

Red Bull fan?

 

[Reemul]

Red Bull fan?

Nope can’t stand him, Mclaren fan, just can’t stand the pathetic attitude of todays liars who print anything as the truth.

I mean your reply to me is exactly that isn’t it. I must be biased or a RB fan with no basis of any sort when in fact I just have a distaste for bs

 

[Swango1980]

Nope can’t stand him, Mclaren fan, just can’t stand the pathetic attitude of todays liars who print anything as the truth.

I mean your reply to me is exactly that isn’t it. I must be biased or a RB fan with no basis of any sort when in fact I just have a distaste for bs

You probably need to calm down a bit when you are taking swings. I get your annoyance with the lies media publish, does my head in as well. But I haven't made up any myself, and my Red Bull comment was simply a jovial remark. Should have put a

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I suggest the full facts won't come out unless Red Bull choose to release them or the female employee decides to do some story to put her side and even then it'll only be one side of the events

 

[Beezerk]

I suggest the full facts won't come out unless Red Bull choose to release them or the female employee decides to do some story to put her side and even then it'll only be one side of the events

On the radio today they said Ford (new engine supplier from 2025?) will want full disclosure about this case, as of yet it hasn’t been released.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

On the radio today they said Ford (new engine supplier from 2025?) will want full disclosure about this case, as of yet it hasn’t been released.

Imagine that will be a closed doors discussion with some very tight disclosure clauses attached

 

[Swango1980]

Imagine that will be a closed doors discussion with some very tight disclosure clauses attached

In this day and age, sometimes I wonder if such a complaint is simply because Horner might have shouted at someone once, or maybe said something like "go get me a tea love"

It is difficult to know if a complaint had sometimes been made because a person has done something that really crosses a line, or done something that an individual was very offended, whilst someone with a thick skin wouldn't bat an eyelid, or someone would see the true context of what was said was not offensive. Bit like the media frenzy when Brendan Rogers said "good girl" to an interviewer, even though that is just his style of conversation

So, obviously as we know nothing about the Horner case apart from there being one, we all try and paint our own picture. People gossip. But, I do agree it is bad when mainstream media try and fill in the blanks by complete guesswork

 

[Deleted member 29109]

In this day and age, sometimes I wonder if such a complaint is simply because Horner might have shouted at someone once, or maybe said something like "go get me a tea love"

It is difficult to know if a complaint had sometimes been made because a person has done something that really crosses a line, or done something that an individual was very offended, whilst someone with a thick skin wouldn't bat an eyelid, or someone would see the true context of what was said was not offensive. Bit like the media frenzy when Brendan Rogers said "good girl" to an interviewer, even though that is just his style of conversation

So, obviously as we know nothing about the Horner case apart from there being one, we all try and paint our own picture. People gossip. But, I do agree it is bad when mainstream media try and fill in the blanks by complete guesswork

I don’t think the parent company would employ a barrister to investigate Horner asking someone to get him a cup of tea!

 

[Swango1980]

I don’t think the parent company would employ a barrister to investigate Horner asking someone to get him a cup of tea!

Why not? It caused a huge media frenzy on a global brand. Why would they not spend top money on an expert to protect that brand?

I don't know much about the investigation, but as far as I am aware, he has not been accused of a criminal act? Or can companies conduct internal investigations without worrying about the police? They are not the Post Office.

You are right, I'm sure it wasn't a cup of tea, but obviously I was giving a quick example. As I said, there are a billion things it could be, and quite a few of those billion things may not be considered serious by many. And quite a few very serious

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Why not? It caused a huge media frenzy on a global brand. Why would they not spend top money on an expert to protect that brand?

I don't know much about the investigation, but as far as I am aware, he has not been accused of a criminal act? Or can companies conduct internal investigations without worrying about the police? They are not the Post Office.

You are right, I'm sure it wasn't a cup of tea, but obviously I was giving a quick example. As I said, there are a billion things it could be, and quite a few of those billion things may not be considered serious by many. And quite a few very serious

I am sure like most companies they will have their own internal disciplinary procedures for all employees which would not involve police investigations but would lead to some form of disciplinary action if they case is proven. As long as it was done within the disciplinary parameters then no further action was needed. I would suggest the parent company would have been stringent in following due process and the fact they held a process at all is definitely down to brand protection and wanting to be seen as a diligent and open employer

 

[cliveb]

Normally an internal investigation would be private to the company. The outside world doesn't need to know it's even happened if the complaint is dismissed. I'm sure Red Bull would like that to have been the case.

Which leads to the question: who leaked this to the press? Who has most to gain from smearing Horner?