External People getting involved on ruling decisions when not even asked

[MendieGK]

On Sunday, i had an incident with a lady member at the club (they annoy me at the best of times) when she tried to tell me that i was taking relief from the wrong place off of our practice ground (which is a local rule_. Whilst i know my decision was 100% correct (confirmed by checking with a number of people including the club pro), i feel compelled to understand why she felt the need to ever get involved.

I was playing in a competition, and she was practicing (well, duffing it) on the practice area, and she came over and started getting involved. even once i had told her she was wrong and had it confirmed by my playing partners (just to give me confidence), she still continued.

Personally, i dont get involved with ruling decisions with anyone other than my playing partners. It only causes issues.

wondered what your views are?

 

[shivas irons]

On Sunday, i had an incident with a lady member at the club (they annoy me at the best of times) when she tried to tell me that i was taking relief from the wrong place off of our practice ground (which is a local rule_. Whilst i know my decision was 100% correct (confirmed by checking with a number of people including the club pro), i feel compelled to understand why she felt the need to ever get involved.

I was playing in a competition, and she was practicing (well, duffing it) on the practice area, and she came over and started getting involved. even once i had told her she was wrong and had it confirmed by my playing partners (just to give me confidence), she still continued.

Personally, i dont get involved with ruling decisions with anyone other than my playing partners. It only causes issues.

wondered what your views are?

You get those sorts at every club mate, know all's who just cant play the game.Ive learned to politely ignore them

 

[Foxholer]

As you (and your fellow competitor) were certain you were correct, you should tell her to 'Sod off you nosey, ignorant cow and report it to the Pro shop. And when you find you are wrong, pay a tenner to the Captain's Charity!'.

Should it actually turn out she was right, donate a tenner yourself and DQ yourself from the comp. Your card will still stand for handicap purpose, but with a net double bogey on the hole where it happened. The 'nosey, ignorant...' still stands!

 

[shivas irons]

As you (and your fellow competitor) were certain you were correct, you should tell her to 'Sod off you nosey, ignorant cow and report it to the Pro shop. And when you find you are wrong, pay a tenner to the Captain's Charity!'.

Should it actually turn out she was right, donate a tenner yourself and DQ yourself from the comp. Your card will still stand for handicap purpose, but with a net double bogey on the hole where it happened. The 'nosey, ignorant...' still stands!

I agree Foxholer she was nosey and ignorant but slagging those sorts off just opens up a tin of worms, smile ignore.......

 

[MendieGK]

I agree Foxholer she was nosey and ignorant but slagging those sorts off just opens up a tin of worms, smile ignore.......

My response after the argument was 'i am a Cat 1 golfer, i know what i am doing'. She responded again so i said 'if i had my way, i wouldnt even let you out on the course as all you do is chat and hold up play'.

Apologies to any females reading this, she had pushed too many buttons!

For those of you that want to know the dispute, it was as follows (its hard to explain).

Our practice area is in between two holes and it is marked out with green posts, if you hit your shot onto it you are to treat it as ground under repair and take relief. in 95% of examples people will take relief back into the trees nearest to the hole they are playing (as they are only just on the practice area and closer to their hole).

I had hit it so far right, i had almost flown the pracice area, and was considerably closer to relief on the other hole. So thats where i took relief.

Her issue was that where i was taking relieft meant i had a normal shot as i could just hit it back over the practice area and over the trees, whereas normally you are dropping it into the trees leaving you with no shot. As i said, this argument went on for about 5minutes!

hopefully that makes sense (a diagram would be lot easier)

 

[Robobum]

My response after the argument was 'i am a Cat 1 golfer, i know what i am doing'. She responded again so i said 'if i had my way, i wouldnt even let you out on the course as all you do is chat and hold up play'.

Apologies to any females reading this, she had pushed too many buttons!

For those of you that want to know the dispute, it was as follows (its hard to explain).

Our practice area is in between two holes and it is marked out with green posts, if you hit your shot onto it you are to treat it as ground under repair and take relief. in 95% of examples people will take relief back into the trees nearest to the hole they are playing (as they are only just on the practice area and closer to their hole).

I had hit it so far right, i had almost flown the pracice area, and was considerably closer to relief on the other hole. So thats where i took relief.

Her issue was that where i was taking relieft meant i had a normal shot as i could just hit it back over the practice area and over the trees, whereas normally you are dropping it into the trees leaving you with no shot. As i said, this argument went on for about 5minutes!

hopefully that makes sense (a diagram would be lot easier)

Trying to picture it........where do you play?

 

[MendieGK]

I am at West Berks near Newbury. I decided i would do a diagram on google Maps. not sure if it will show up though? The Blue line is on the hole i am playing, the red lines indicate the boundaries of the pracice area, and the greeny/blue dot is the position of my ball. I took relieft to the right of my ball (About 5metres), she wanted me to go left (about 25metres).

http://thumbsnap.com/K7h7yjeB
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[Colin L]

Well, from the diagram, the lady was clearly wrong. Nearest in nearest point of relief means just that. and your ball is obviously only a few metres from the boundary of the practice area to your right - which is where you went.

I wouldn't have intervened in the situation you described ....... but then I would have known you were doing the right thing. If you were about to do something wrong, I might intervene along the lines of "Can I help you with sorting out what you can do here." I wouldn't intervene in another group if I were a competitor (enough to concentrate on in my own game) unless I saw someone actually cheating.

As a matter of interest, does your local rule prohibit play from the practice area?

 

[Robobum]

I like West Berks - the loop around the practice ground is probably the worst part of the course.

Looks fine from your description - are the LRs not on the back of the scorecard??

 

[Foxholer]

Well, from the diagram, the lady was clearly wrong. Nearest in nearest point of relief means just that. and your ball is obviously only a few metres from the boundary of the practice area to your right - which is where you went.

As a matter of interest, does your local rule prohibit play from the practice area?

I agree - unless you went into an OOB area, which doesn't seem likely from course map.

Pretty wayward shot! Well done finding it - or is it a byo ball practice area. Practice areas are often OOB - even 'internal' ones!

I agree Foxholer she was nosey and ignorant but slagging those sorts off just opens up a tin of worms, smile ignore.......

At least tell her to get her facts straight next time you encounter her - preferably when she's having a nice gossip with her mates in the clubhouse. Point out that it could save her a DQ for playing from the wrong place and not correcting it - should she eve be able to actually hit it into that area!

 

[pbrown7582]

Some people just can't help themselves can they! As long as you ate your marker are in agreement I don't see why anyone else needs to get involved unless invited .
Hope being interfered with by a lady member didn't put you off!



By the way you don't let nomads on your course on a Sunday morning do you?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

On Sunday, i had an incident with a lady member at the club (they annoy me at the best of times) when she tried to tell me that i was taking relief from the wrong place off of our practice ground (which is a local rule_. Whilst i know my decision was 100% correct (confirmed by checking with a number of people including the club pro), i feel compelled to understand why she felt the need to ever get involved.

I was playing in a competition, and she was practicing (well, duffing it) on the practice area, and she came over and started getting involved. even once i had told her she was wrong and had it confirmed by my playing partners (just to give me confidence), she still continued.

Personally, i dont get involved with ruling decisions with anyone other than my playing partners. It only causes issues.

wondered what your views are?

She was trying to be helpful?

 

[MendieGK]

Yeah play is prohibited from it and the practice area is pretty easy to find balls on it as the ones they use are yellow.

I think it's a nice course they do well considering they have 3 greenkeepers!

Thanks for pointing out the accuracy of my drive

 

[Stuey01]

She's obviously an interfering busy-body. The only thing I can see you did wrong is the arrogance of the "I'm a cat 1 golfer I know what I'm doing" line. As tiger's recent escapades should demonstrate being good at golf doesn't mean you are infallible when it comes to the rules.
You were right, not because you are a cat 1 golfer, but simply because you applied the rule correctly. Handicap is irrelevant.

 

[FairwayDodger]

On Sunday, i had an incident with a lady member at the club (they annoy me at the best of times) when she tried to tell me that i was taking relief from the wrong place off of our practice ground (which is a local rule_. Whilst i know my decision was 100% correct (confirmed by checking with a number of people including the club pro), i feel compelled to understand why she felt the need to ever get involved.

I was playing in a competition, and she was practicing (well, duffing it) on the practice area, and she came over and started getting involved. even once i had told her she was wrong and had it confirmed by my playing partners (just to give me confidence), she still continued.

Personally, i dont get involved with ruling decisions with anyone other than my playing partners. It only causes issues.

wondered what your views are?

How very 1950s of you.

Don't suppose she was just trying to help you avoid a potential DQ? If she was wrong anyone can make a mistake.

I can't help wondering if you would have been so annoyed had a male attempted to help with your ruling.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Also - and I'm probably a little more than semi-serious about this - could your lady members have a different local rule from gents.

From your diagram I can imagine than some lady members might have problems getting their ball back in play from where you took your relief - quite a job for some ladies clearing your practice ground from the far side - so their local rule may be similar to a 'lateral water hazard' rule. She might not realise the gents local rule was different so in being adamant she was correct - for her. You were adamant you were correct - for you. You were both right for yourselves but both wrong for each other

Only a thought - peace :thup:

 

[North Mimms]

While you may have been correct on where you took your drop if the practice area is treated as a big area of GUR, I think it would be better if the local rule was worded so that you took relief from the side of the practice area nearest to your hole (or the other hole on far saide if that is the one you are playing). Otherwise you are playing over the practice area which is not a good idea for those using it (or duffing it as you put it)

And yes, being Cat 1 doesn't mean you are infallible at rules, or manners....

 

[Foxholer]

I can't help wondering if you would have been so annoyed had a male attempted to help with your ruling.

I certainly would have. Though there might have been a slight change of wording! :angry:

BTW. This sort of thing has happened to me by 1 of each sex and the Captains Charity has benefited from their tenner on each occasion!

 

[garyinderry]

taking relief that makes you hit over a practice area is quite dangerous. you are right to do it if its within the rules. your club could easily put oob down the side of the practice gound to make you drop it in the trees.

 

[Foxholer]

taking relief that makes you hit over a practice area is quite dangerous. you are right to do it if its within the rules. your club could easily put oob down the side of the practice gound to make you drop it in the trees.

Where?

Perhaps Red Stakes or GUR? And the 2-club length/NPR option would be from 'point where ball last crossed the boundary' not simply 'NP onto the hole being played'.