External People getting involved on ruling decisions when not even asked

taking relief that makes you hit over a practice area is quite dangerous. you are right to do it if its within the rules. your club could easily put oob down the side of the practice gound to make you drop it in the trees.

It's an idea but not quite workable like that. An internal OOB would mean stroke and distance not dropping in the trees. GUR as it already is with play prohibited from the area, some DZs along the side of the hole and a mandatory drop in the nearest, would achieve what you have in mind.

Whether it is any more risky to have to cross a bit of a practice ground to play than an adjacent fairway is debatable.
 
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In addition to my musing that maybe ladies and gents have different local rules covering this situation...

I'm also wondering whether our OPer and those he consulted have applied normal GUR relief practice - when in fact there may be a specific rule for this GUR which makes sthe lady correct - oh wouldn't THAT be painful - for our OPer. However I'm sure he is correct in his understanding of the relief provided - I hope :)
 
And they say golf has complicated rules that sometimes make the game seem very peculiar to anyone watching from the outside...
 
Knowing the hole in question, that must have been a rooter-esq slice off he tee to take relief on he 6th! I thought I was the only one who could do that! I assume you were playing off the 8th? I always end up in those stupid trees on the right and then have to clear the horrible under with no sand in at the front!

Edit: saw your diagram and was no where near as bad as I thought! You need to practice more if you want to slice it like me!
 
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Why the need to comment on the sex of the member and make the normal generally incorrect comment on ladies being slow players.

Although she may have been wrong she at least seemed to be trying to be helpful.
Whereas your post makes you seem to come across as a bit of a sexist dodo.

BTW that was a seriously wayward shot for a so called Cat 1 player
 
Also - and I'm probably a little more than semi-serious about this - could your lady members have a different local rule from gents.

From your diagram I can imagine than some lady members might have problems getting their ball back in play from where you took your relief - quite a job for some ladies clearing your practice ground from the far side - so their local rule may be similar to a 'lateral water hazard' rule. She might not realise the gents local rule was different so in being adamant she was correct - for her. You were adamant you were correct - for you. You were both right for yourselves but both wrong for each other :)

Only a thought - peace :thup:

Your concern for the ladies who might find it difficult to clear the practice ground from where the OP is to take relief is admirable but possibly misplaced? If a player, whether male or female, is going to have difficulty with that, how did he/she get there in the first place?
 
Had a similar experience in the club champs. Smashed one way right into thick stuff playing. Lucky enough to find it but it weren't going anywhere. Opted to take an unplayable and going back in line with the flag put me on the short grass of the 13th. Double checked with my partners I was correct. As I dropped the group on the 13th tee told me I'd taken an illegal drop and I could only have gone two club lengths from where the ball lie.

I tied to be polite and tried ignoring them but they said if I played they'd make sure I was DQ'd this went on for about five minutes and in the end I decided to play and argue the toss later. My partners even told them I was right to not avail. So hot under the collar I prompted to shank the shot OB and racked up a 9.

Suffice to say words were exchanged on the course and after. I can see the lady in the OP might just have been trying to help but once the guy had explained he was correct that should have been an end to it. I would have told her it had nothing to do with her (politely if I could) and just cracked on. Once she continued to argue the toss I'd have made sure she was named and shamed after and explain how off putting she was and let the lady captain/committee decide if there was a case to answer
 
it also means the nearest point of relief would be back towards the hole In the trees where 90% are already dropping.

Yes. I had a Brain Fart in my previous post!

1. It's already GUR - as already taking relief.
2. GUR NPR is only where last crossed when ball lost in the GUR.

Doh!

LR could worded to state that it must be taken to the hole being played.
 
Your concern for the ladies who might find it difficult to clear the practice ground from where the OP is to take relief is admirable but possibly misplaced? If a player, whether male or female, is going to have difficulty with that, how did he/she get there in the first place?

Well Colin - a player only has to end up just over half way across the practice ground fopr NPR to be far far way on the other side :) And as you know - our ability to get out of a mess is not very closely correlated with our ability to get into it.

Anyway - my suggestion is based upon a thought that there might be different local rules for ladies and gents encountering the same scenario. That I don't know to be the case - or if it can be. I myself don't know of different local rules for ladies - but that doesn't mean to say that there aren't differences - even in my place. Why shouldn't there be? Then why would I (or our OPer) be aware of them unless I played with a lady who encountered such a scenario during our play and applied HER local rule.
 
Well Colin - a player only has to end up just over half way across the practice ground fopr NPR to be far far way on the other side :) And as you know - our ability to get out of a mess is not very closely correlated with our ability to get into it.

As long as you are able to carry more than half the width of the GUR, you are able to reach over halfway back. You can therefore play to there from your NPR and then take relief on the side nearer the fairway. :ears:

I'm just being silly I know. :cool:

So more seriously, if there is a problem for some players who might not be able to carry the GUR from the far side of it (other than in two goes ;) ) i would suggest again the use of dropping zones. I don't see the need to consider a separate local rule for ladies (even if possible which offhand I doubt): there will be short hitters amongst the men as well.
 
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Final thought. Personally, I would leave things as they are. DZs would have the undesirable effect of minimising the damage from a poor shot. If your shot is so wayward that your NPR is going to be on the far side, that's part of the damage. Lucky to have landed on the practice area anyway rather than in a jungle. And if it takes two shots to get back to the other side, so be it. Part of the damage - and there is always the option of stroke and distance rather than taking relief.
 
wondered what your views are?

My view is that the more you learn about golf the more you realise you don't know, so you tend to mind your own business and leave people be.

But the complete opposite is true - when you know nothing, you think you know it all - so the duffer clearly got herself involved.

One of the funniest things I saw recently was at a driving range one evening a few weeks ago.
Two golfers in the bays in front of me were chopping balls left, right and generally not very centre. They typically didn't fly far and more often than not wouldn't leave the ground.
They had a 'short game competition' where their intended target was never under threat - all in all I would say they were not only clueless but clearly rubbish golfers (but they were having fun which I would say is the most important thing for all golfers).
The funny bit was the golfer right in front of me finished with their balls before their friend. As soon as this person finished they became an instant expert (someone who could give the excellent David Leadbetter a run for his money) and started telling their friend how to hit all the shots and what they were doing wrong.

I laughed on the inside as I was worried I might be asked to explain what I found so funny - which would defintiely result in me giving my 'opinion' about the golf swing! No thanks, I'd rather do that on the golf-monthly forum where no one can see what I look like
 
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